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TR: flax paper and palladium




-----Message d'origine-----
De : Anne van Leeuwen & Peter Hoffman [mailto:anne_peter@earthlink.net]
Envoye : 15 decembre, 2006 15:59
A : alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Objet : Re: flax paper and palladium


thanks, Keith




On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:42 AM, Keith Gerling wrote:

> Very nice, Anne.  Thanks for sharing.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anne van Leeuwen & Peter Hoffman  
> [mailto:anne_peter@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:59 PM
> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> Subject: Re: flax paper and palladium
>
>
> Camden,
>
> Here are 3 images, all photograms.  Kinda different.
>
> http://annesvl.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php
>
> Anne
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2006, at 4:48 PM, Camden Hardy wrote:
>
>> Anne,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your experience.  I'd love to see some samples, if
>> you've got any digitized...
>>
>> Camden Hardy
>>
>> camden[at]hardyphotography[dot]net
>> http://www.hardyphotography.net
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, December 14, 2006 2:03 pm, Anne van Leeuwen & Peter Hoffman
>> wrote:
>>> Chris, (and Camden)
>>>
>>> I am a papermaker so I'm happy to be able to contribute something to
>>> the list.  I will be teaching some of these combined processes
>>> probably next year at the Brimingham Bloomfield Art Center just
>>> outside Detroit.  I was just hired to be on their faculty.
>>>
>>> I'll mention sources for paper and info at the end of this email.
>>>
>>> Paper made from flax and abaca (a wonderful fiber from the banana
>>> family) are much, much stronger than any cotton, whether it's rag or
>>> cotton linters.  In the sheet formation process they (flax and  
>>> abaca)
>>> have higher shrinkage so must be restrain dryed otherwise they
>>> shrivel up.  (That is great for some purposes, such as paper
>>> sculpture.)
>>>
>>> I've been using combinations of flax, cotton and abaca for some time
>>> with my alternative processes and am very happy with these fibers.
>>> The weight varies depending on the papermakers desires.  But both
>>> flax and abaca have wonderful wet strength for very thin sheets.   
>>> The
>>> paper will withstand repeated rinsing, I've never had any of my own
>>> paper fall apart on me.  (Until recently when I tried thinner sheets
>>> of !00% Rag, I didn't like it and won't do that again).
>>>
>>> An occasional project I'll do is make larger sheets (22X30 or  
>>> larger)
>>> of flax paper, walnut dyed (soaked walnut hulls, you get a great
>>> dye).  Using cyanotype I get a navy blue that is attractive on the
>>> walnut colored paper.   Frequently I'll get oversized negatives made
>>> from Kinkos or a blueprint company and make images.   On the walnut
>>> dyed paper, the navy blue color and with the "unsharp" oversized
>>> negative I get interesting textural pieces.
>>>
>>> Also, I have toned cyanotype paper with the tannic acid rinse, then
>>> washing soda.  Depending on the length of time I can get an almost
>>> black color to the cyanotype portion.  The paper itself can be a bit
>>> stained but what I have done is to draw with watercolor pencils or
>>> watercolors on the images (usually floral photograms) and get a very
>>> unique image.
>>>
>>> I have a type of Hollander beater so can make the pulp myself.   
>>> It is
>>> expensive otherwise.  Making the paper cuts the expense way down but
>>> it is work and time consuming.
>>>
>>> Camden mentioned U of Iowa as a good source for the paper.  They  
>>> are,
>>> in fact they restored the US Bill of Rights (I believe).  Great
>>> facilities.
>>>
>>> Also here are two other sources for those interested:
>>>
>>> Twinrocker
>>> www.twinrocker.com	(excellent source for information about paper and
>>> a place to purchase paper)
>>>
>>> And here is a book written in about 1984 called:
>>>
>>> THE NEW PHOTOGRAPHY
>>> by Catharine Reeve & Marilyn Sward
>>>
>>> Excellent papermakers who experimented quite a bit with alt
>>> processes.
>>>
>>> Chris, fun to hear of your experiments.
>>>
>>> Anne
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 14, 2006, at 10:21 AM, Christina Z. Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good morning,
>>>> Yesterday I had the fun experience of collaborating with an art
>>>> grad student who makes her own flax paper.  She wanted to put
>>>> photographs on her flax sculptures, so I told her to come over to
>>>> my house and we'd see if it worked. I thought those on the list who
>>>> are paper makers might like to know this.
>>>>
>>>> I guess she buys the flax pulp from a paper supply house, which is
>>>> somewhat expensive--she said $100 a bucket (it comes liquid).  I
>>>> know NOTHING about paper making, but the flax paper is dark
>>>> parchment tannish, and quite textural, and very long fibered, but
>>>> the paper is flat and very thin. It irons well (flax being same as
>>>> linen, of course) and lays flat, in other words, after wet baths it
>>>> doesn't shrink and pucker.
>>>>
>>>> I thought it would disintegrate immediately in the development
>>>> bath, or whatnot.  It didn't .  We were doing small prints for
>>>> testing and not large though, but they held together perfectly,
>>>> even when I held them up by one edge. Very strong.
>>>>
>>>> I tested one with just regular pt/pd, one on top of gelatin size,
>>>> and one with the pt/pd cut in half with water.  The paper is very
>>>> absorbent so that 26 drops were sucked up into an area of, let's
>>>> say, 4x6.  On the gelatin size it did not soak up right away so
>>>> that was a good thing, so sizing could be the way to go, but the
>>>> print we agreed looked best was the one with pt/pd cut in half with
>>>> water.  It was warmer in tone (redder) than the others.
>>>>
>>>> Then after we completed this test it occurred to me that cyanotype
>>>> toned with tannic acid would be the cheapest and easiest way to go
>>>> (no development or clear baths) but what amazed me is the beautiful
>>>> tonal range of pt/pd on this paper.
>>>>
>>>> I also felt it would be great paper to give a final soak in wax to
>>>> transparentize.
>>>>
>>>> I think Camden is going to test VDB and liquid emulsion for her,
>>>> right Camden?  For archival purposes, I wonder if the toned cyano
>>>> would be best, so you don't have to mess with silver left in the
>>>> paper?  Nevertheless, this paper has great possibilities.  I told
>>>> her she should sell it, but each sheet just to make (small sheets)
>>>> is about $10 so selling them, she'd have to probably charge $25 for
>>>> say, a foot and a half square sheet?
>>>>
>>>> I wish I was a paper maker...I wonder if there is a commercial
>>>> source for homemade flax paper?  Someone google it for me, I have
>>>> to go gum print :)
>>>>
>>>> This is definitely the benefit of teaching in an art environment--
>>>> collaboration.  The other grad student who came over to watch does
>>>> large charcoal drawings, erases and redraws and erases and redraws
>>>> while she films the drawings over an 8 hour day, and then ends up
>>>> with a movie, dark and charcoaly--really beautiful.
>>>> Chris
>>>> CZAphotography.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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