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RE: Glycerol as humectant for POP Pd prints at low RH



Thanks for pointing that out Eric,

Since I couldn't find any reference in the list archives I thought it
would be good to include this in the records. BTW, to clarify; in my
case, the purpose of using glycerol is not to facilitate coating dry
paper / in dry environment (that's an added bonus - even if I have never
had any coating problems), rather it's to keep the paper humid in order
to get a stronger and cold toned print out (I don't use developer for my
Pd prints -> the process I'm using is POP Pd) in dry environment.

Regards,
Loris.

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Neilsen [mailto:ejnphoto@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 1:49 AM
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: RE: Glycerol as humectant for POP Pd prints at low RH


Loris, I think this was discussed some time back in 95 or 96 amongst the
PT/PD printers. I forget who brought it up, possibly Bill Laven. I tried
it for some prints while living in Taos where RH can be extremely low
10% or less. It did seem to offer some relief from poor coating. After
moving to Dallas and the much higher levels of humidity, I found that I
gained very little or no benefit from continued use. 

Eric Neilsen Photography
4101 Commerce Street
Suite 9
Dallas, TX 75226
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandy King [mailto:sanking@clemson.edu]
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 3:41 PM
> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> Subject: Re: Glycerol as humectant for POP Pd prints at low RH
> 
> Loris,
> 
> Congratulations on taking the time to test that premise. It is 
> potentially a very useful piece of information.
> 
> Now, if more pt/pd printers  would take the time to learn carbon as 
> you have no telling what kind of innovations we might see!!
> 
> Sandy King
> 
> 
> At 11:18 PM +0200 2/25/07, Loris Medici wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >
> >Probably I'm not the only smart person to tried this before but since

> >I haven't found a reference in the list archives, I decided to
> >share:
> >
> >I was having hard time making cold/neutral toned POP Pd prints 
> >lately; the RH of my darkroom changes around 25-30% and printing w/o 
> >drying thoroughly (in other words: with almost wet paper) isn't a 
> >good choice since I'm using a relatively weak digital negative 
> >substrate and printing on almost-wet paper = ruining the negative due

> >excess humidity. (The negative substrate I use is Ultrafine Crystal 
> >Clear.) I also don't prefer to use a thin (1-3 mils) polyester sheet 
> >between the negative and the paper because sharpness will suffer... 
> >(I'm printing using a 11x14" contact printing frame and a bank of BL 
> >tubes.)
> >
> >Anyway, given the above criteria, I decided to put glycerol
> >(glycerine) into my coating solution. Since this compound is used as 
> >a humectant in both carbon printing (tissue will retain humidity when

> >some glycerol is present and won't brittle) and silver-gelatine 
> >emulsion making, I thought it may help me in retain humidity in the 
> >paper -> letting me get cold/neutral tones.
> >
> >It works! I added a drop of glycerol per 10 drops of coating 
> >solution, dried the paper for 10 minutes and got a neutral print. 
> >Without the glycerol - keeping all other parameters constant - I 
> >would get a warm (brown) print.
> >
> >Do you think adding glycerol will affect longevity? I'm using very 
> >little... (0.1ml per 1ml coating solution)
> >
> >Regards,
> >Loris.