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RE: RE: Satista question

Thanks Philippe. But, to what should I pay attention? I plan to use 2%
Citric Acid as wash water before toning - that's what I do with my POP
Pd, Vandyke and Argyrotype prints...


-----Original Message-----
From: payral@club-internet.fr [mailto:payral@club-internet.fr] 
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 4:29 PM
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: Re: RE: Satista question

You need some pd or pt to get image but you can go down to 1 drop pt ot
pd for a 8x10 print. First washing after development is very treacky, be
very carefull.

Philippe Ayral

----Message d'origine----
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:13:52 +0200
>De: Loris Medici <mail@loris.medici.name>
>Sujet: RE: Satista question
>A: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
>Thanks Marek. I'll have to use Pd then, since I have very little 
>(>10ml) Pt solution. If 1 drop of Li2[PdCl4] per 25-30 drops of 20% AFO

>is enough for a print with good Dmax that's fine for me... (I don't 
>care much about the color right now -> will tone the image with 
>What are the effects of playing with solution strenghts? For instance, 
>can I use 40% AFO for faster printing times? Should I also change the 
>4% AgNO3 solution strength accordingly? Will using a stronger 
>sensitizer give me better/stronger Dmax? How is Satista Dmax compared 
>to POP (or
>DOP) Palladium prints? What can you say about the characteristic curve
>of the paper? I guess it will need digital negatives with less drastic
>curves adjustment -> due to lack of print-out...
>Thanks again,
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Marek Matusz [mailto:marekmatusz@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 3:44 PM
>To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
>Subject: RE: Satista question
>I tried omitting platinum form the formula for satista prints and it 
>did not work. No image was formed with exposure times similar to what I

>have worked for satista process. I do not have my notes handy at the 
>moment, but I can check later of what noble metals I have tried. I 
>vaguely remember tryig palladium and gold as a noble metal sensitizer 
>for the process. Platinum works the best and that is what I mostly use.

>I'll get back to you later on this. Marek
>From: Loris Medici <mail@loris.medici.name>
>Reply-To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
>To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
>Subject: Satista question
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:32:44 +0200
>Hi all, I have a question for Satista printers (Marek M? Philippe A?
>I want to try Satista prints for sake of economy -> I have little Pt 
>and Pd on hands (which I can't obtain in Istanbul - have to import; I 
>real PIA with current customs regulations) but I can buy AgNO3 and 
>K[AuCl4] locally - at very low cost... Question is: Do I strictly need 
>any Pt or Pd salt for making Satista prints (I guess they fuction as 
>catalysts rather than image-forming substances)? Can I make good 
>Satista prints w/o using any noble metal salt, by just using Ammonium 
>Iron(III) Oxalate as sensitizer and AgNO3 as developer?
>Thanks in advance,