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RE: Jose Ortiz-Echague and Fresson



No problem getting to see the prints.. Just phone for an appointment. The
staff is very helpful They will tell you that pens and pencils are not
allowed. Joachim

-----Original Message-----
From: joachim oppenheimer [mailto:joachim2@optonline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:25 PM
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: RE: Jose Ortiz-Echague and Fresson




-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Soemarko [mailto:fotodave@dsoemarko.us]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:01 AM
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: RE: Jose Ortiz-Echague and Fresson


I have never gone to a museum and view such prints (I assume they are
special collection). So how does one request a viewing? Can a lowly, no-name
person like myself just call up the museum beforehand and make a request and
they will arrange a viewing for me? Or do I need some "credentials" (which I
suppose I can find some too if needed)?


Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> From: joachim oppenheimer [mailto:joachim2@optonline.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:30 AM
> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> Subject: RE: Jose Ortiz-Echague and Fresson
>
> There is a large collection of Echague's work at the print room (by
> appointment) of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York).
> My negative feelings about this man, as well as  the entire
> secretiveness of the Fresson process, does not deny that
> those prints are of historic interest. Joachim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandy King [mailto:sanking@clemson.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:36 AM
> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> Subject: Re: Jose Ortiz-Echague and Fresson
>
>
> That could very well be the case. Ortiz-EchagŁe certainly had
> the means to buy the process.
>
> My understanding is that the Fresson family did not sell him
> a machine, but provided him with the technical information to
> prepare and coat the emulsion and to build a machine. I am
> fairly certain that Ortiz-EchagŁe wrote this in the
> introduction to one of his last books. In any event, the key
> to the process is not the machine, but the emulsion formula
> and how it is coated. I could think of several ways to coat
> carbon tissue, but the performance will ultimately be based
> more on the tissue formula than on the coating procedure.
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
>
> At 11:22 PM -0500 5/21/07, achakali@wideopenwest.com wrote:
> >Based upon accounts from Bill Foster, who actually knew and
> >photographed
> with
> >Echague, the machine and formula was purchased from the
> Fresson family.
> >Additionally, the "carbondir" was apparently a part of the
> agreement to
> >not use the Fresson name for the paper Echague produced.
> >
> >Art
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 22 May 2007 00:09:57 -0400, Sandy King wrote
> >>  There is also he possibility that money exchanged hands. I don't
> >> know that for a fact, but Ortiz-Echague was definitely a person of
> means.
> >>
> >>  Sandy King
> >>
> >>  At 11:57 PM -0400 5/21/07, Sandy King wrote:
> >>  >Chris.
> >>  >
> >>  >Several reasons I can suggest.
> >>  >
> >>  >There may also be personal connections of which I am not
> aware. But
> >> >here are some of the things that may have moved them.
> >>  >
> >>  >At the time Ortiz-Echague was one of the most famous
> photographers
> >> >in Europe, and had been using the Fresson paper for
> almost 50 years.
> >>  >Perhaps they felt that they owed him the favor.
> >>  >
> >>  >And, he was one of the most powerful men in Spain and a
> person of
> >> >great accomplishments outside of photography. He was one of the
> >> >first pilots in the Spanish, rose to the rank of General in the
> >> >Army, and served as President of both SEAT (a company
> that produced
> >>  >cars) and of another company that produced airplanes.
> >>  >
> >>  >Basically, I figure they came to the conclusion that
> their secrets
> >> >were safe with him, given his age at the time and his status in
> >> >Spanish society.
> >>  >
> >>  >Sandy
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >  At 9:41 PM -0600 5/21/07, Christina Z. Anderson wrote:
> >>  >>When the Fresson family
> >>  >>ceased commercial distribution of the paper they
> >>provided him
> >> with the technical knowledge to coat  >>his own paper, and he
> >> constructed a coating  >>machine and thereafter called his
> process
> >> >>"carbondir" (carbon directo) so as not to offend  >>the Fressons.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>Sandy,
> >>  >>Why would, do you think, the Fresson family share their
> secrets
> >> >>with him and yet not with anyone else since then?
> >>  >>
> >>  >>I notice they still do Sheila Metzner's work as well as
> Deborah
> >> >>Turbeville's...
> >>  >>Chris
> >
> >
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