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hypochlorite and other bleach agents (was Eau de Javelle)



First of all, the strength of household bleach varies
depending on the age and storage condition. It's usually about
5% but there is no point to be exact about this. Also,
depending on the manufacturer of the hypochlorite and the
manufacturing method, the inert ingredients vary a lot as
well. Most common byproducts and additives are sodium chloride
and one or more of alkaline agents.

From: etienne garbaux <photographeur@nerdshack.com>
Subject: Re: Eau de Javelle ( Javel )
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:32:37 -0500

> Hypochlorite in solution is kept at least slightly alkaline
> to prevent the release of chlorine gas.  Household bleach is
> generally made alkaline by hydroxide (a byproduct of the
> industrial process by which the hypochlorite is produced)
> rather than carbonate.  Assuming that the alkalinity is the
> reason for the carbonate in Javel water, household bleach at
> the appropriate dilution should be a fine substitute as it
> is.  You may want to play with the dilution, depending on
> the process.  If you wanted to reduce the alkalinity, you
> could add small amounts of hydrochloric acid while
> monitoring the pH (you would NOT want to go so far as to
> make the solution acidic).

The reason to make bleach solution alkaline are multi-fold and
not just because of chlorine outgassing. At lower pH,
hypochlorite becomes hypochloric acid, which has considerably
lower standard reduction potential (-1.5V vs -0.95V) and
hypochloric acid is a more aggressive oxidizing agent. The
acid form is also more reactive with cellulose fiber than the
anion form. However, this is only relative and both forms can
attack fabric. It's just that the acid form does so faster.

> Photographic hypo (sodium thiosulfate) decomposes
> hypochlorite and could serve as a wash aid.  (If you were
> not using the hypo as a silver fixer -- i.e., to dissolve
> remaining silver halides -- you would not form the complexes
> that are so hard to wash out after a thiosulfate fixing
> bath.)

Use of hypochlorite or any oxidizing agent as a "hypo
eliminator" is strongly discouraged from archival
viewpoint. It's better to leave prints poorly washed than
treating them in oxidizing agents. (This paragraph for silver
gelatin process.)

You don't want to use thiosulfate in order to terminate
bleaching action, either.

From: Dan Haygood <dan@haygoods.org>
Subject: RE: Eau de Javelle ( Javel )
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:04:01 -0700

> I once had occasion so soak some whites (laundry) in
> household bleach & water for hours.  The clothing, cotton
> and cotton/poly, came out of the following wash with some
> tears in the fabric.  The clothing proceeded to disintegrate
> in subsequent washings.

This is a well known shortcomming of chlorine-based bleach. If
you come up with a way to overcome this without impairing the
bleaching/disinfecting power, you'll become rich.

Generally, hypochlorite bleach should be diluted with cold
water and used in cold solution. Only time I use hypochlorite
bleach hot is when I want to maximize the disinfecting power
in cleaning my kitchen surface, sponges and such. I also use
hot hypochlorite bleach to disinfect the laundry washer. The
invisible side of those perforated drums and other invisible
surfaces in the laundry machines are biologically dirty and I
don't want them to adsorb on my clothes.

> I could not find much info on the internet for the phenomena
> of bleach-rot, but this article discusses it and mentions
> two "stop-action" chemicals to clear bleach (Bleach-Stop and
> Anti-Chlor).

>     http://labricoleuse.livejournal.com/11816.html

The above website states:

 | Bleach manufacturers don't like to acknowledge the fact
 | that bleach can damage the integrity of some natural
 | fibers, but it's true.

I'm not sure whether the author spoke to the right person at
bleach manufacturers. Bleach manufacturers are flat out
researching more efficient bleaching formulation that also
minimizes fabric damage.

Hypochlorite bleach is also not the most desirable agent to
use in terms of human safety and environmental impact,
although it is not as serious as some other compounds I
brought up in the past.

One alternative compound that is commonly used is peroxide and
other peroxo compounds such as percarbonate. These agents work
as a mild bleach in very hot water, but the standard laundry
water temperature in the U.S. is too low to be highly
effective without a bleach accelerating agent. As you imagine,
bleach manufacturers are developing efficient catalysts that
accelerate bleaching action. Many compounds proposed so far
use chelated iron molecules to enhance iron's redox catalysis
property and you better stop wondering why I am interested in
the bleach chemistry; it is exactly the opposite to
photographic developer formulation. However, I think these
bleach catalysts proposed so far are too expensive to
synthesize (as far as I can think of) and only some of them
are in current use. Also, even if the bleach catalysts are
used, the bleach system will damage the fabric just like in
hot percarbonate solution or hypochlorite solutions. This is
primarily due to hydroxyl radical. Hydroxyl radical may be
important in the disinfectant action, but not in bleaching,
and therefore bleach manufacturers are comtemplating adding
lots of cheap hydroxyl radical scavengers to the bleach
formulation. Here, their challenge is to find a suitable agent
that is cheap, effective in scavenging hydroxyl radical, not
irritating to human skin, safe to the environment, and do not
react with superoxide (which is necessary in bleaching
action). Any reasonable chemist can name compounds that meet 3
or 4 of above but not all 5 of them.

In case bleach is mixed in a washer detergent, there can be
more possibilities for formulation, because properly
formulated laundry detergents always contain molecules that
cover up cellulose fibers (antiredepositioning agent).

I personally would not use chlorine based bleach in darkroom
processing, period. It was once commonly suggested to wash
print drying screen and ferrotyping cloth with dilute bleach
to eliminate residual thiosulfate. However, in light of modern
research in image permanence, this level of effort is nothing
but unnecessary (just use water to wash it and that's
perfectly fine!).

--
Ryuji Suzuki
http://silvergrain.org