Re: Anthotypes
liz, a mordant is a chemical that combines with the dye molucule and the substrate molecule that produces a fixed color so im wondering, since anthrotype relies on uv bleaching if the mordant should be used after the print is finished. in this instance, the mordant would be used as a fixer for the print. the mordant can also change the color of the natural dye. the most common mordants are alum, tannin, iron, tin, copper and chrome (from less toxic to more toxic) . one alum that is sold in garden centers is aluminum sulfate. iron saddens or dulls the color, tin brightens the color, the alums tend to just fix the color and leaves it as it is, tannins darken the color also. natural dying is a science into itself and theres a lot you can do with it. i did anthrotypes with my students one semester and it was a blast..... and where in maine do you live?? peg
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Peg Fredi
-------------- Original message from liz tuttie <ituttie@earthlink.net>: --------------
> Peg,
> Hi again.. Question.. Mordant.. What mordant would you suggest?
> Fading is fine for this project.
> Liz
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From:
> > To:
> > Cc: liz tuttie ;
> > Date: 2/28/2008 11:32:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: Anthotypes
> >
> > Liz, do you by any chance live in Maine?? if youre gonna use
> blueberries. boil them down and concentrate the juice. the more
> concentrated the better the dye, plus you can add a mordant to make the dye
> more intense, however keep in mind that over time it will fade. natural
> dying is really fun and kids love it. peg
> >
> > --
> > Peg Fredi
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: liz tuttie
> > >
> > > Peg,
> > >
> > > Thank you.. I will have some more questions I am sure as I get into
> this..
> > > That is interesting about the blue dyes.. I am going to try blueberries
> as
> > > they are local and abundant. So many of these kids have them in their
> back
> > > yards so I am going to give it a try this weekend.. I thought cooking
> them
> > > down might give more color since they are so moist anyway. Blueberry
> pie
> > > stains so, but fresh uncooked berries don't have as much staining power.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your input I will get back to you.
> > > Liz
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From:
> > > > To: ;
> > > > Cc: liz tuttie
> > > > Date: 2/27/2008 8:18:07 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Anthotypes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > liz,
> > > > I have done quite a bit of natural dying for fiber and have a number
> of
> > > sources of herbs, roots , nuts and berries that woiuld be gereeat for
> > > anthrotypes. one thing you have to be careful about is blue dyd stuff.
> they
> > > arent colorfast. there are some mordating you can do with the paper or
> > > fabric before you use the natural dyes to intensify the color and keep
> > > them more colorfast, but it would increase the bleaching time for your
> > > print. some things that are probably readilly available fairly soon are
> > > dandilions. with a few different mordants you can get anything from a
> > > bright yellow to a golden yellow. purple cabbage will also give a nice
> > > pinkish purple. if you get a grocery store to raid their onion bins, you
> > > can get yellow and purple onion skins that work well also. the natural
> dyes
> > > are very safe for children and are a blast to do with them. let me know
> if
> > > i can help further. peg
> > > > --
> > > > Peg Fredi
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > > From: liz tuttie
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you all, Cyanotypes are a possibility but I am really looking
> into
> > > > > the anthotypes for the back to nature sort of idea also. The school
> is
> > > > > reall looking for a real organic, back to nature experience.
> > > > >
> > > > > I find the blueberry idea intriguing,since we are in blueberry
> > > country. I
> > > > > am wondering if cooking them down might be an advantage as the raw
> > > interior
> > > > > is not that intense. I will experiment..
> > > > > Jalo , 4 days .. wow..
> > > > >
> > > > > Liz
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > > From: Diana Bloomfield
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Date: 2/26/2008 5:46:35 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Anthotypes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Someone on the portfolio exchange, a couple of years ago,
> included
> > > > > > one as I remember. It was really beautiful and very delicate-
> > > > > > looking. She also said it took several days of exposure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would have thought cyanotypes (which would be quicker,
> certainly)
> > > > > > were relatively non-toxic-- as long as people wear gloves, and
> > > > > > everything is mixed up ahead of time, so no one is messing around
>
> > > > > > with powders. Would making cyanotypes be too toxic for children??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Diana
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Feb 26, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Projekti Vedos wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Elizabeth
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm no expert, but tried some blueberry anthotypes couple of
> years
> > > > > > > ago (still interested to continue), one of the prints can be
> seen
> > > at:
> > > > > > > http://photoporkkala.com/gallery2/index-1.html
> > > > > > > and there on the second thumbnail page - the "magenta"
> blueberry
> > > > > > > anthotype test print, it was exposed for about four days in
> the
> > > > > > > sun...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -jalo
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: liz tuttie
> > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 21:41
> > > > > > > Subject: Anthotypes
> > > > > > > To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi, I would like some input and any experiences any of you may
> > > > > > > > have with working with nontoxic organic photosensitive
> > > > > > > > materials. I have been working with platinum/palladium for a
> > > > > > > > while and would like any input from anyone on working with
> > > > > > > > plants/ flowers/ juices etc. This is for a project
> > > > > > > > based on "the organic " that is brining community artists
> > > > > > > > together with kids and adults. So .. Non toxic would be the
> key
> > > > > > > > here with the kids..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thank you
> > > > > > > > Elizabeth Tuttie
> > > > > > > > http://photosplatinum.com
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