Re: oilprint second try
Henk,
I've followed the recipe you give on the alternativephotography.com website with little success. I'm using oil pint as that's all I have available here. How stiff does the paint need to be when applired?. I've seen articles where people talk about using chemicals to stiffen up the ink. Is this necessary with oil paint?
Regards
David H
On Oct 6 2008, henk thijs wrote:
Kees,
On 6 okt 2008, at 14:06, Kees Brandenburg wrote:
> Dag Henk,
>
> For bromoil I'm also using litho inks (charbonel, G&C) and
> sometimes the non-coloured G&C extender with added powder pigments.
> I asked this question to know if an oilprint in your opinion, needs
> the same stiff inks as a bromoil. So your answer is: yes it does.
> As a listlurker from 'the old days' I had allready seen and printed
> Klaus Pollmeier's receipe - and wondered if the, maybe more
> fragile, gelatin of an oilprint indeed needed some little pre-
> hardening. I noticed that the non-hardened highlight parts in my
> gelatin layer sometimes don't support heavy inking resulting is a
> stained paper base in the highlights. So you probably are a
> carefull 'hopper'.
No, I do not 'hop' at all: RSI is not only an IT-problem ....
So, i use exclusively cheap foam brayers.
Clearing is normally very easy by spraying a film of water over the
inked area and go over it with a clean brayer.
Pollmeier uses the hot damp of a small water-boiler, but that was for
bromoil (in the case of bromoil you also can use a water temperature
to 50 degrees Celsius, with oil-printing i never go above 25 Celsius).
And beyond that, I had bad experience with less 3 layers of at least
8% gelatine (and also with exposure times less than 1200 seconds)
Regards,
Henk
>
> Have you been to eurobrom in Brussels this weekend?
>
> regards,
>
> kees
>
>
>
> On 6 okt 2008, at 13:13, henk thijs wrote:
>
>> Dag Kees,
>>
>> On 2 okt 2008, at 9:24, Kees Brandenburg wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Henk,
>>>
>>> great oilprint!
>>> what inks do you use?
>>
>> Through the years i used FAUST (when i try to contact them again -
>> there is website in the US- i got no reaction), David Lewis
>> bromoil inks (he has no stock anymore), Graphic Chemical Litho Ink
>> (in Holland : van Ginkel) , Charbonnel litho&etching ink (check
>> Boesner, they have a lot of materials , reasonable prices). The
>> advantage of Faust and Charbonnel was the fact that they offer
>> tubes (ink drying out in cans is a problem).
>> To stiff the ink i add pure pigment, by-effect is the possibility
>> of changing color .
>>
>>
>>> do you use plain gelatin whithout any hardener when coating your
>>> oilpaper?
>>
>> There is a recipe from the 'old days' of the list from Klaus
>> Pollmeier:
>>
>> -prepare 140 ml of a 15% gelatin solution;
>> -add 14 ml of a 15% potato starch solution;
>> - while stirring, slowly add 14 ml of a hardener , made by mixing
>> 6 ml of a 6% sol. of acetic acid and 8 ml of a 1% sol. of chrom.
>> alum.
>>
>> From the text ' .... the hardener really helps to avoid blistering
>> and having the gel. detach from the paper base....'
>>
>> I tried that one, but found no difference to my method:
>> just 3 times a gelatine layer of about 8% gelatine, with a 6 %
>> potassium dichromate.
>> Cheers,
>> Henk
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> kees
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 okt 2008, at 00:15, henk thijs wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry, it looks like that FIREFOX wants to have capitals ; when
>>>> i tested it everything looks right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.thijs-foto.com/newDESIGN/B4defx.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do hope it is ok now,
>>>> Henk
>>>
>>
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