OT- Bessler Englarger Repairs

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Subject: OT- Bessler Englarger Repairs
From: Eugene Robkin <robkin@centurytel.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:26:49 -0600
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My wife got this message at her school and have no information that could help. Anyone who can help please respond directly to the original message.

Thanks.

Gene Robkin

<msievolo@aol.com> 11/20/2008 3:22 PM >>>

Hello!? I am writing for Help regarding Repairs/maintenance of Beseler enlargers.? Does anyone in the Long Island/New York-metro area know of any reliable technicians that would be available to come into a school and service our enlargers... We have several that have been broken due to use over time...? Please contact me at jievolo@hhh.k12.ny.us .? ANY information or leads will be greatly appreciated!? We have a large program of students taking photography with a darkroom of only 8 enlargers and now 3 of them are temporarily out of commision!!! THANKS!? -Jenn Ievolo

----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Neilsen" <ejnphoto@sbcglobal.net>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:29 PM
Subject: RE: Ware/Malde-Ziatype-DOP palladium, was RE: "New" Paper for Pt/Pd (and other iron processes, too)

Camden, Consider me a patron of the total platinum/palladium process. I
don't draw clear distinctions between methods to such a degree as to say
that there are systems so much as there are starting points.

There has been over the years much confusion spread as to what is the
intention of certain methods. I was trying to see if you would define what
you saw as Ware/Malde "system". Please don't take it as a debate but more of
an inquiry.

Some have made it seem as if the Ware/Malde information is strict and must
be this tightly controlled environment, and the Ziatype is less restrictive.
Far too often printers will present their information as if everyone does it
"this" way. When there are so many ways to get the solution on to the paper,
just what is meant by the X system is really a starting point only to those
that are in the same room at the same time. I am just trying to get you to
see that the options are far and wide. It may be easy to say the X system,
but there still must be explanation as to what the current version of X is?
Or what it perceived to be. My interpretation of one system may be different
enough to influence the color of the prints to a point where they don't
match your prints using the "same" system.

Eric Neilsen Photography
4101 Commerce Street
Suite 9
Dallas, TX 75226
http://e.neilsen.home.att.net
http://ericneilsenphotography.com
Skype ejprinter

-----Original Message-----
From: Camden Hardy [mailto:camden@hardyphotography.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:23 PM
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: RE: Ware/Malde-Ziatype-DOP palladium, was RE: "New" Paper for
Pt/Pd (and other iron processes, too)

Eric,

I think we have a misunderstanding going here. I didn't want to get into
a philosophical debate about where to draw the line between processes; I
merely used the names to distinguish the two methods. I was only asking
for a visual color comparison between Ware/Malde POP and ziatype in their
"warm" spectrums...nothing too complicated.

Camden Hardy

camden[at]hardyphotography[dot]net
http://www.hardyphotography.net

On Thu, November 30, 2006 4:18 pm, EJN Photo wrote:
> Camden, I have not done a reflective reading for them to be able to > give
> you
> color density reading. And as far as strict systems, I haven't work to
the
> exact standards that you might apply to them. If I use ammonium
palladium
> is
> that a traditional print? Or if I substitute sodium in the Ware/Malde
> system, am I no longer making a Ware/Malde print? I don't think so.
>
> Clay, did you make your prints with the ammonium platinum? If so, where
> are
> you getting it? I was able to pick some up from Englehard, but that was
> only
> a single order and it is all gone now.
>
> My AFO prints, whether you call them Ware/Malde or EJ_o_types, do show > a
> bit
> more reddish quality. I can however get close to that with traditional
> solution and sodium citrate developer. I have not beat all those
possible
> paths.
>
>
> Eric Neilsen Photography
> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
> Dallas, TX 75226
> 214-827-8301
> http://ericneilsenphotography.com
>
> Skype : ejprinter> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Camden Hardy [mailto:camden@hardyphotography.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:29 PM
>> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
>> Subject: RE: Ware/Malde-Ziatype-DOP palladium, was RE: "New"
>> Paper for Pt/Pd (and other iron processes, too)
>>
>> > Camden, The Ware/Malde system should not lead you to a
>> specific color, nor
>> > does the Ziatype or Traditional DOP. They are all capable of
>> producing
>> > prints of various colors.
>>
>> I'm aware that both processes can be adjusted to create a warm
>> or cool
>> tone. The articles I've read about each all had charts showing
>> the
>> factors that can shift from a cool to a warm tone.
>>
>> I asked the question because the term "warm" is fairly vague.
>> Sepia and
>> thiourea are both "warm" toners, but thiourea is more toward
>> the yellow
>> end. "Warm" could mean red, yellow, pink (just kidding), etc.
>> I'm
>> wondering whether one process is capable of producing warm
>> colors that the
>> other can't.
>>
>>
>> Camden Hardy
>>
>> camden[at]hardyphotography[dot]net
>> http://www.hardyphotography.net
>>
>>
>>
>> > I think that you'd be better thinking of the reasons that any
>> pt/pd prints
>> > changes color and one of the biggest contributors to that is
>> humidity or
>> > lack thereof. There are big gereralizations that can be made
>> about PT, PD
>> > and humidity. There are also several very good ways to
>> develop these
>> > images
>> > that influence color.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Eric Neilsen Photography
>> > 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
>> > Dallas, TX 75226
>> > 214-827-8301
>> > http://ericneilsenphotography.com
>> >
>> > Skype : ejprinter> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Sandy King [mailto:sanking@clemson.edu]
>> >> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:30 PM
>> >> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
>> >> Subject: Re: Ware/Malde-Ziatype-DOP palladium, was RE: "New"
>> >> Paper for Pt/Pd (and other iron processes, too)
>> >>
>> >> I have not done anything with ziatype other than
>> >> print with straight FAO plus lithium palladium
>> >> chloride.
>> >>
>> >> Sandy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At 8:21 AM -0700 11/30/06, Camden Hardy wrote:
>> >> >Sandy,
>> >> >
>> >> >Have you tried adding sodium tungstate to the ziatype
>> emulsion
>> >> to get
>> >> >warmer tones?
>> >> >
>> >> >If so, how does the color compare to that of the Ware/Malde
>> >> POP process?
>> >> >
>> >> >Camden Hardy
>> >> >
>> >> >camden[at]hardyphotography[dot]net
>> >> >http://www.hardyphotography.net
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >On Wed, November 29, 2006 10:37 pm, Sandy King wrote:
>> >> >> Hi Loris,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I always control temperature at around 70F, and
>> >> >> within certain limits I can also control RH.
>> >> >> However, for various reasons it is much easier to
>> >> >> control RH in the 50-60% range in my working room
>> >> >> than at the extremes.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> At 55% RH I really like the results I get with
>> >> >> the Ware/Malde POP palladium process. Dmax is
>> >> >> excellent and the color is a nice warm black. In
>> >> >> some ways nicer than with DOP palladium. But if
>> >> >> the RH changes by as much as 5% there will be a
>> >> >> chance in image color, warmer going down, more
>> >> >> neutral going up. But this is ok, since I have
>> >> >> excellent control of RH in the 50-60% range.
>> >> >> However, the color shift with RH change is one of
>> >> >> the great attractions of the Ware/Malde method.
>> >> >> And with dichromate contrast control, which Mike
>> >> >> chose not to exploit, you can get contrast
>> >> >> control *and* the color you want. And without the
>> >> >> cessium salt needed with Ziatype.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> However, if the type of image one likes is very
>> >> >> neutral black, Ziatype with the lithium salt by
>> >> >> itself gives great results. I would find it very
>> >> >> difficult to make this color with Ware/Malde
>> >> >> because a RH of 80% or so would be almost
>> >> >> impossible to obtain in my working environment.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sandy
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> At 8:16 PM +0200 11/29/06, Loris Medici wrote:
>> >> >>>I see. Agree with you on the fact that making identical
>> >> looking prints
>> >> >>> with
>> >> >>>POP version (at least Ziatype) can be hard... But, that
>> >> shouldn't that
>> >> >>> much
>> >> >>>hard to you? I mean you have a lightsource with
>> integrator,
>> >> you can
>> >> >>> control
>> >> >>>humidity and temperature in your working area, you're
>> >> accustomed to be
>> >> >>>consistent in coating + drying the paper (in fact, you're
>> a
>> >> master carbon
>> >> >>>printer!). Do you still find hard to get consistent /
>> close
>> >> results?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>About compression in the shadows: I cheat, I artificially
>> >> increase
>> >> >>> contrast
>> >> >>>in the shadows. When you have problems - even if you have
>> a
>> >> perfect
>> >> >>>calibration - some extra contrast boost in the shadows
>> (it
>> >> should look
>> >> >>>almost weird on your screen) will do good in that
>> aspect...
>> >> The more
>> >> >>> texture
>> >> >>>you have in the shadows, the less you have this "looks
>> dull"
>> >> problem. Low
>> >> >>>key images with delicate tonal transitions make another
>> >> problem - I think
>> >> >>>Pt/Pd (or any other process which results a matte print)
>> is
>> >> not the best
>> >> >>>choice for this type of imagery... Carbon is, in my
>> >> understanding.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Regards,
>> >> >>>Loris.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>-----Original Message-----
>> >> >>>From: Sandy King [mailto:sanking@clemson.edu]
>> >> >>>Sent: 29 Kas¾m 2006 Çars¸amba 18:16
>> >> >>>To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
>> >> >>>Subject: RE: "New" Paper for Pt/Pd (and other iron
>> >> processes, too)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>What I meant by hard to beat is the consistency of DOP,
>> i.e.
>> >> the
>> >> >>> capability
>> >> >>>of making multiple prints, all with the same density and
>> >> color, without
>> >> >>>worrying about changes in exposure.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>FAO with the ammonium salt gives beautiful chocolate
>> colors,
>> >> if printing
>> >> >>> at
>> >> >>>low humidity.
>> >> >>>But you need some type of contrast control if working
>> with
>> >> negatives of
>> >> >>> DR
>> >> >>>of 1.8 or so intended for DOP palladium. You can actually
>> >> get it by
>> >> >>> adding a
>> >> >>>few drops of dichromate to the sensitizer, as you do with
>> >> ziatype. There
>> >> >>> is
>> >> >>>no down side to this as far as I can see, and the ability
>> to
>> >> control
>> >> >>>contrast this way makes the Ware/Malde process quite
>> >> flexible.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>FAO with the lithium salt (ziatype) also works well,
>> though
>> >> I have only
>> >> >>> made
>> >> >>>a few prints with it. But for persons who like nice
>> neutral
>> >> black prints
>> >> > >>this is the way to go with palladium.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>But printing with Pt./Pd. drives me crazy at times. The
>> >> prints always
>> >> >>> have
>> >> >>>this glorious look when they are washing, and when you
>> hang
>> >> them up to
>> >> >>> dry.
>> >> >>>Then you come back the next morning when they are dry and
>> >> they look dull.
>> >> >>> By
>> >> >>>contrast, carbon prints improve in look as they dry. I do
>> >> find that a
>> >> >>> couple
>> >> >>>of coats of some kind of clear gloss lacquer or varnish
>> >> recovers some of
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>>wet look, but not all of it.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Sandy
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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