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RE: Extending gum range and the tone reversal.



So Marek, do you just put the coated paper under UV and not
in a contact frame for 5 seconds or do you put it in the
contact frame, flash, then put  the negative in?
chris

----- Original Message Follows -----
From: Marek Matusz <marekmatusz@hotmail.com>
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: RE: Extending gum range and the tone reversal.
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:11:18 +0000

>Chris,
>I did not clear this test strip, I could do it as well.
>I have been flashing my gums for 2 to 5 seconds routinely
>now depending how dense my negatives happen to be. Even on
>the test strip you can see the much more delicate gradation
>in the highlights. Almost like printing in palladium.  This
>really shows in tri-color gum with the cyan layer, which
>defines most of the contrast and tonal gradation. I have
>just finished a family portrait that I have done flash and
>no flash version. What a difference in the skin tones that
>additional flash exposure delivers. Will scan and post
>later tonight. Eliminating the stain delivers brighter,
>more saturated colours as well. Marek
>
>
>
>Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:16:25 -0700From:
>zphoto@montana.netSubject: Re: Extending gum range and the
>tone reversal.To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
>
>
>Thanks for this Marek.  It is always heartening to see
>someone else testing things for the heck of it and you are
>the test King! Bleaching, pinhole, yupo, solarization...
>
>I love how Picasa has that magnifying glass option so we
>can really get close in to the test strips. Almost like
>being in your dimroom.
>
>I like also how you can see on your wedges where the
>numbers are dull with too little exposure.
>
>So do you think you will use the flash technique in your
>practice in general or only with dense film negs?
>
>One question:  did you clear your step wedges in potassium
>metabisulfite or whatnot?  It can be hard to determine how
>long gum's tonal range is at times because of the fact that
>the dichromate gets darker and darker and darker with
>exposure and gives a bit of a false read to the step wedge
>when, in fact, gum has reached "max black" before the
>dichromate has reached "max brown".  I don't ever clear
>unless I am doing step wedges.  I find that gum has a 4-6
>stop range, with 6 stretching it.  This is certainly longer
>than some books that say it has a 2 stop range, though, and
>it looks like from your step wedges you are getting more
>like the 4 stops. Do you find this to be the case in
>general? I'm including max black and paper white in the
>range as steps (wanted to clarify because some don't
>include paper white).
>
>Off to work, though I'd love to have this convo instead...
>Chris
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Marek Matusz
>To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
>Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:55 PM
>Subject: Extending gum range and the tone reversal.
>AllA few weeks ago I was printing  gum from a negative that
>was way too dense. It was not my nagative, so I really
>could not do anything with it. When I printed a thalo blue
>layer I noticed a tone reversal and a heavy stain in the
>highlights. I typically do not encounter either as my gum
>negatives are not that dense. This was an opportunity to
>learn so I printed some step tablet tests and determined
>that indeed a little exposure was needed or else a "tone
>reversal" or heavy stain resulted in the test prints. That
>prompted me to add some 'flash' exposure, no negative in my
>UV box. I am posting a test printed with thalo green, one
>of the most staining pigments. I had a test strip with
>thalo blue and indanthrone blue, but can't find them now.
>On the test strip there are 1, 1:30 and 2 min exposures.
>You can easily see the tone reversal on the 1 min exposure
>where the number 21 is much lighter then say 8. I also
>posted RGB readings to illustrate the stain. I wish I had
>done a 4 minute exposure as well, next time
> I suppose.The center 3 strips are 1:30 second exposure
>with 2, 5 and 10 second post flash with no negative. Steps
>1-7 are visible on the print, maybe not quite on the scan.
>There is also very little stain and no tone reversal. this
>is a remarkable density range for gum. This was all printed
>and developed on one piece of paper to have the development
>constant. I have been printing with a flash  for a while
>now. This really opens up the highlights, but requires
>somewhat denser negatives than typical gum.For those ready
>to experiment I would suggest using step tablet and not
>existing negatives to test this idea.Always something new
>and exciting with gum.Marekjust one picture
>http://picasaweb.google.com/marekmatusz1/ExtendedGumRange?authkey=AKZxcCQlqts#5277658299253953138
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