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Re: Pond-moonrise (was: Re: Steichen image in April's 'Vanity Fair'

I saw a print from this series in a santa fe gallery a few years back...lovely stuff...it had a price tag of 900K and change
"somewhere between zero and one...everything else is exaggeration" - Anonymous

From: Jean Daubas <jean.daubas@gmail.com>
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:46:16 AM
Subject: Re: Pond-moonrise (was: Re: Steichen image in April's 'Vanity Fair'


Thanks for showing us the 3 prints side by side but I'm not sure of your conclusions.
In fact, the bottom 3rd print that you think is often shown by error as the "record auction" print  is probably really the auction print.
I give you the link to the February 2006  Sotheby's auction catalogue  where Steichen's "the Pond - Moonlight" was lot # 6, sold  2,928,000 USD .


the illustration and the measurements clearly show that the 1st print you put on your page (found on a blog) is not the one which was sold at Sotheby's : it is far more rectangular than the actual one. By respect for Edward Steichen's memory, i reall hope no one dared to crop the original mage  ???

You will find on this catalog page a very extensive description of the print and its sister prints as well as some interesting indications about Steichen's workflow...

hope it helps to clear the issue,
cheers from France,
Jean Daubas, auteur-photographe
16 rue de Bourg-Sec
25440 LIESLE    (France)
+33 (0)3 81 57 50 13  et +33 (0) 681 531 289

----- Original Message ----- From: "Katharine Thayer" <kthayer@pacifier.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:04 PM
Subject: Pond-moonrise (was: Re: Steichen image in April's 'Vanity Fair'

> Judy wrote:
>> However, on the topic of those "Moon Over Mamaroneck" AND the  Flatiron building prints (tho one or more of them could be  Stieglitz & I'm too harried today to check, in fact I'm not really  here at this moment)... I've tried to figure out how the blue sky  was printed in, with no other sky tone, and decided that there were  likely 2 negatives, either one positive & one negative, of one much  contrastier than the other....
>> Any info?
> Judy, I agree with you on both counts:  (1) that Steichen's  pictorialist photographs were much more beautiful and interesting  than his "straight" photographs, and (2) that it looks like the blue  tone in the sky, especially in the pond print where the blue was  printed with cyanotype, just about had to be printed in with a  positive "negative" in order to get that much tone.  You've got a  good eye.
> I did that once, when I wanted a glow of golden light between the  trees in a forest shot; I printed the golden color in with a reversed  negative; there wasn't any way to get that much tone between the  trees using the original negative.
> Whether this is what Steichen actually did we can only speculate,  because AFAIK all Steichen's negatives are still in the possession  of, and under the tight control of, Joanna Steichen.
> God (in the form of the aforenamed woman herself) may strike me dead  for this,  but I've made a page with reproductions of all three of  the prints (I hope) of this image, so we can compare them and  evaluate the validity of your observation.  I'm not so sure it's  accurate with the first print, the gum over platinum; I think maybe  this was printed from just the negative.  What do you think?  But the  bottom one, the cyanotype over platinum, it seems pretty certain to  me that the cyan is printed with a reversed negative.  I don't know  if MOMA has analyzed this print the way the Met has analyzed theirs,  but since I don't know otherwise, I'm taking on faith that they know  for sure that this is cyanotype over platinum and not hand-applied  color over platinum.  I'd be willing to bet big bucks that he simply  colored in the moon (notice that he didn't think to color in a  reflection of it in the water).
> Look quick, because this page will self-destruct in a few days.  I'm hyperventilating already at the thought that I actually did this,  even though it's all for a good cause.
> http://www.pacifier.com/~kthayer/html/Steichenpond.html
> As for the Flatiron, that doesn't seem quite as clearcut to me, and besides there are so many copies of that image (mostly reproductions  from a copyneg made from the original gum print) that it's almost  impossible to say which one we're talking about.  The Met alone has  five versions of it, I think, and the version they show on their  website doesn't correspond by date and description to any of the ones  listed in the catalog of the Stieglitz collection, so it's all pretty  confusing.  But would you say it's probably true of this one?
> http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/pict/ho_33.43.39.htm
> Katharine
> http://www.theartwolf.com/imagenestAW/steichen_pond.jpg
> the actual $2.9 million print?