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Re: Yellow tents and UV (was: outdoor gum demo)

Go for it.

On Apr 23, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Paul Viapiano wrote:

<<<<<"Erythmally weighted spectral irradiances.">>>>>

I'm going to write a song with this title...or form a band with
this name ;-)

Have a great day everybody...I jinxed myself when I boasted about
our perfect-UV-exposure So Cal weather a few days ago. We are
socked in with heavy overcast today and it's also predicted for the
next few days as well...c'est la vie.


On Apr 21, 2009, at 7:36 PM, Paul Viapiano wrote:

Remember when we were talking a little bit re: this on the
Hybrid forum?

Can you point me to a thread?

So far, I've noticed no change in exposure times from UV Index 4
through UV index 9 when exposing via the sun...

Given how the UV index is calculated, this makes perfect sense.
The UV index is heavily weighted toward UVB, being intended as a
measure of the risk factor of overexposure to the skin, and is
not at all a useful measure of UVA. Here's a great site that
runs through an example of how the radiation is weighted by
wavelength. The amount of radiatiion at 295 nm is weighted 1.0
(in other words all of it is counted in the index, because it is
very potentially damaging to the skin); the amount of radiation
at 305 nm is weighted at .22 and the amount of radiation at 325
is weighted at .03, in other words it is considered only 3% as
damaging to the skin as radiation at 295, and therefore has
almost no weight in the calculation of the index. I think it
would be a reasonable assumption that as the wavelengths increase
into the range that's useful to us, they are given even less
weight in the index.


So, yes, it makes complete sense that your sun exposures don't
vary with the UV index; it would be odd if they did.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Loris Medici"
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Yellow tents and UV (was: outdoor gum demo)

I don't understand this at all; does the sun change it's
spectrum (in terms of UVB, UVA, visible and infra-red) through
"our" year?
I don't think so, therefore it's total nonsense to assert (and
"UVA is present with equal intensity during all daylight hours
and that it
doesn't vary with season". That would mean that in winter
(where we are
farther away from sun) the proportion of UVA in sunlight should
have to
increase actually whereas the proportion of UVB, visible light and
infra-red light all should decrease, as shown with the facts
that we don't
get sunburnt in the winter (except some extreme conditions such
as high
altitude/mountains and highly UV reflecting soil/snow) (UVB),
winter sun
is paler (visible), and winter temperatures are lower (infra-
red)??? How
come the sun knows that it should act that way -> according to our
year/seasons? ;)

I thought to use the UV index for sun exposures, because I was
UVB and UVA levels are closely related (given there's the same
amnt. of
ozone above and the sky is clear) because the irradiation
spectrum of the
sun is relatively constant (again in terms of UVB, UVA, visible and
infra-red). I still hold that idea...

21 Nisan 2009, Salı, 8:02 pm tarihinde, Katharine Thayer yazmış:


First a comment about the last paragraph: Here you're conflating
UVB and UVA. The rays that cause sunburn are UVB, wavelengths
280-320. Those rays don't go through glass or any deeper than the
epidermis of the skin, and are of little concern for gum
UVA (320-400) is the range we're interested in. UVA is of less
concern for sunburn, passes through glass and through the skin
into the body, and contains the wavelengths we use to print
gum. So
it's something of a logical leap to assume that any observation
related to sunburn might also relate to the fogging of gum


One last thing: while I was doing this search, I found the
answer to
a question that's puzzled me for years. Conventional wisdom
among alternative process workers, at least as I've seen it
given on
this list, that UV varies depending on time of day, season,
location. So it's always puzzled me that on the northwest
coast of
the US, an area not noted for its high UV levels to start with, I
could expose a gum print in the sun in less than a minute,
same time
in summer or in winter. That didn't make sense to me, until this
weekend when I learned from a skin cancer foundation site that
just UVB, the kind that's not useful for gum printing, that
varies by
season, location and time of day. UVA, the UV we're interested
is "present with equal intensity during all daylight hours
the year."