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Re: Casein

Thanks Phritz, I know about phototempera print - did a couple some years
ago. It works fine, but you have to be patient because density builds up
pretty slowly. 5-6 layers minimum IME (could use much more). I'm not that
much patient and most importantly (the actual reason I was put off ->) I
just can't stand the smell of exposed dichromated egg yolks!

Yes, I tried to develop by force (sorry, I forgot to mention it) with a
spray bottle (pretty harshly) w/o any result. I haven't tried a brush
since I find it too radical for everyday usage.


23 Mayıs 2009, Cumartesi, 10:53 am tarihinde, phritz-phantom@web.de yazmış:
> hello loris,
> i haven't printed printed with casein, but when reading your mail, i
> remembered an article on egg-tempera print on unblinkingeye - the only
> other alt. process that i've heard of that uses acrylics. (found here:
> http://unblinkingeye.com/Articles/TPrnt/tprnt.html
> [http://unblinkingeye.com/Articles/TPrnt/tprnt.html] )
> did you try to develop the print by force (running water, brush etc)? the
> method of developing egg-tempera prints in the manual is to "Develop/wash
> in a flat-bottomed tray containing water, with a dash of dish washing up
> liquid added. Use a plastic foam roller to develop the image". maybe
> acrylics generally need a little bit of force during development.
> phritz
> *Von:* "Loris Medici" <mail@loris.medici.name>
> *Gesendet:* 22.05.09 21:08:37
> *An:* alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> *Betreff:* Casein
> I did my first casein trial yesterday evening, w/o any success. See below:
> - 0.8g casein (Kremer's)
> - 5ml tap water
> - waited 10 minutes (to let casein absorb water - I'm not sure if that's
> necessary but did so anyway, I was not in a hurry...)
> - added 8 drops of 25% (910) ammonia (it seems to be a lot, will try
> halving the amnt. next time)
> - I mixed the slurry (cream consistency) until it looks homogeneous
> - I added 5ml of 5% ammonium dichromate (it turned to yellow - because of
> excess alkalinity I presume...)
> - I mixed the solution (not a slurry anymore, pretty homogeneous looking
> solution slightly less viscous than my usual gum coating mix)
> - made up a coating solution by adding the dichromated casein solution to
> a very small amnt. of W&N acrylic color (burnt umber)
> - coated the paper, dried with a hair dryer, humidified the paper with an
> ultrasonic humidifier, exposed for 2 mins. under a bank of UVBL tubes (I
> didn't get a dichromate image after exposure)
> - developed(!) face down for 20minutes
> I got absolutely no development, no pigment coming off, no dissolution of
> binder at all.
> What could be the cause?
> Overexposure? Using acrylics? (But I know someone - Guido Ceuppens - who
> uses acrylic colors with casein...) Both? Any other thoughts?
> Will try with only 30secs exposure tonight...
> Regards & thanks in advance,
> Loris.
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