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RE: Miracle size for gum

Hi John,

This is probably a better bet


as it dries waterproof .



On Oct 12 2009, John Brewer wrote:


I think it's a good idea Judy does try what PVA she has at home as I will
too. I have some Unibond,
(http://www.makingdiyeasier.co.uk/unibond/pva.html) which is PVAc used in
the building industry. I'll try it when I get some time in a week or so.
Gamblin PVA can't possibly be the only PVAc in the world that works, surely.

BTW both PVAL and PVAc are 'glues' among other things.


From: Paul Viapiano [mailto:viapiano@pacbell.net]
Sent: 12 October 2009 06:08
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: Re: Miracle size for gum


Gamblin PVA Size is what you want...go to Utrecht...don't bother with
anything else.

I do have PVA adhesive here at home and I use it for bookbinding. It's a


----- Original Message -----

From: "Christina Z. Anderson" <

To: < alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>

Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:40 PM

Subject: Re: Miracle size for gum

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judy Seigel" < jseigel@panix.com>
>> Sometimes I have trouble staying out of an argument, because who doesn't
>> love a good argument? Research shows, moreover, that an argument about
>> firms the skin and makes the hormones flow, while discouraging outsiders
>> from attempts to muscle in on the process. But the gum argument (or
>> "discussion") I'm staying out of now is because I don't know what the
>> folks are talking about & decline to expose my ignorance.
> Judy,
> I hear ya, I hear ya...I agree in that testing and arguing about gum
> get gum printers or gum prints made. The proof in the validity of gum
> testing comes in the work produced, IMHO. Now, that will open another can

> of worms--what constitutes a "good" gum print and I daren't touch that
> a ten foot pole. But there are a lot of excellent gummists who never pick
> a step wedge. They just make prints.
> I find it extremely useful that when we discuss things as tonal range,
> miracle size, more or less dichromate, more or less exposure, etc. we find
> way to talk apples to apples in gum, and that is where the lowly step
> comes into play for me--scientific or not, used and discussed correctly or

> not (thanks, Etienne).
> Thus when a statement is made that such and such produces a longer tonal
> range, I take it to mean that the maximum "black" for that color pigment
> been reached (obviously not black as in a glossy silver gelatin) as well
> paper white has been achieved, and those steps in between can be counted
> compared to get somewhat close to apples to apples. Either the step wedge

> shows just a few steps, or lots of steps. And each step on the step wedge,

> being film, is a difference of 1/3 stop or 1/2 stop that corresponds to
> increasing or decreasing hardening of gum, whether that hardening equates
> not to a measurable log of density.
> When gum gets a bad rap as being a "two stop process" which, I assume, the

> writer meant there were only 4 **steps** of color on the step wedge or 6
> a 31 step (writer is well known, and certainly gum has a reputation of
> a short scale process), then it is important to discuss what kind of tonal

> range people who gum print frequently are getting. I personally don't
> gum THAT short scale of a process. Certainly not as tonally long as
> platinum but long enough.
> But as has been found in this discussion, as usual anything gum, the
> parameters of the testing is different from gummist to gummist and
> no longer compares apples to apples anyway. And then we get into arguing
> over how many angels dance on the head of a pin.
> And then it's interesting to see your advice come back to you--or not.
> Seems to me a while back on this list I dared to suggest that past a
> point more dichromate wasn't necessary--it didn't decrease exposure enough

> to warrant the extra amount and I settle now on an easy to measure 15% am
> (used to use 7.5%, one list member only uses 2.5% and her exposures are
> lengthy). That by a step wedge. Wow did I get creamed in that
> Seems I also mentioned that using EQUAL strengths of ammonium, sodium, and

> potassium dichromate had different speeds--ammonium being the fastest, and

> for all the solubility that sodium has, it doesn't have much oomph--more
> like potassium at the same strength (used 10% for all). That I found by a

> step wedge. I know at least Sandy King corroborated and even gave a
> percentage comparison between am and pot di. Oh, and Kosar as well...but
> man, the first time I mentioned Kosar I was creamed.
> So even though using a step wedge on a process that really isn't
> photographic in a sense (just photosensitive) and talking about it in
> photographic terms, that step wedge sure is a handy little thing...
> OH, and having been cleaning out my dimroom all day, I finally found my
> motherlode of step wedges. I had lost them I thought permanently, and
> ordered 3 more 4x5s and 1 8x10, and NOW I have a passelode of the things,
> heheheheh. I just love this cleaning thing. For some reason I had put
> under a towel on top of which I let gum prints dry before exposure.
> Back to size, Marek, I am going to run right out and buy that miracle
> lemmetellya. If I could find a nontoxic size that also printed a LONG
> RANGE (gasp) I will personally come down to TX and kiss your cheeks!! And
> Jeremy Moore, that video thing is a great idea to do for the list! Good
> discussion...
> Chris
> __________________
> Christina Z. Anderson
> http://christinaZanderson.com/

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