RE: list home decisions
This one came in late. I emailed this the same day/time as I sent my previous one last weekend, but it just arrived now. Gord is already looking at different options.
Dave
> -------Original Message-------
> From: Dave S <fotodave@dsoemarko.us>
> Subject: RE: list home decisions
> Sent: 14 Nov '09 20:29
>
> PS: When I said I was going to offer hosting the list without charge, I didn't
> mean hosting it with the dsoemarko.us account. I mean we can have a
> alt-photo-process-list domain name, and I am willing to pay for it. At this
> stage of life, the hosting fee is not very high to me.
>
> I do know that if we ask for donation, many people will be willing to chip in,
> and as mentioned in the email below, it can be just $1-2 per person per year.
> :-)
>
>
> Dave
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave S [mailto:fotodave@dsoemarko.us]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:26 PM
> > To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> > Subject: RE: list home decisions
> >
> >
> > I was going to offer hosting the list without charge, but it
> > seems like Gord has thought about it and prefer not to have
> > such arrangement.
> >
> > As you noticed, I have a web hosting service (note my email
> > address). The service is not that expensive. With the service
> > we can setup a mailing list (like I can set up
> > alt-photo-process-list@dsoemarko.us) in 2 minutes and the
> > list will be up immediately. I think we don't want the list
> > to be associated with any one individual, but what we can do
> > it apply for a domain name (I even checked it,
> > alt-photo-process-list.com or .org are available).
> >
> > If we use the company which I am using right now, the annual
> > fee is only about $80 with the new domain name. If only 10
> > people are willing to donate, the donation will be less than
> > $10 per year. If we have 20 people, it will be less than $5.
> > If we have "too many" donators, then it will be a hassle to
> > deposit all those 25-cent checks. ;-)
> >
> > As I am quite familiar with this company who host my domain
> > name, I can set one up easily. Perhaps I can then invite Gord
> > and a few list minders to have control over the list so that
> > it won't be tied to me alone.
> >
> > And we will have more than just a mailing list. We can have
> > our web sites too.
> > While we don't use web site much on this list, one
> > possibility is to use it to host the images when we have
> > traveling portfolio, for example.
> >
> > What do you guys think? I am not imposing anything. Just
> > trying to offer some thing which I happen to be familiar
> > already. Of course, if you don't want the list to be related
> > to me at all, I can always just recommend the hosting service
> > to Gord and he can set up a new account there (or else
> > where). I have used this hosting service for many years and
> > have no complain about it.
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gordon J. Holtslander [mailto:gjh@shaw.ca]
> > > Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:19 PM
> > > To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> > > Subject: Re: list home decisions
> > >
> > > Yikes
> > >
> > > All I'm after is whether people want to pursue a self-funded
> > > autonomous organization. I think as little as $10.00 per year by a
> > > significant number of people would provide plenty of funds.
> > >
> > > Hosting service cost between $20 to $100.00 per month depending on
> > > there capabilities.
> > >
> > > I don't want the list swamped with details yet
> > >
> > > I just need to know if enough people will make the commitment.
> > >
> > > Please email me _privately_ if you would be willing to
> > donate $10 to
> > > $20 per year. Better ways of raising money will likely be
> > available.
> > >
> > > If we get enough people willing to make a commitment we can
> > then work
> > > on the details...
> > >
> > > So again please email me _privately_ if you would be
> > willing to donate
> > > to a self-funded alt-photo service.
> > >
> > > Gord
> > >
> > > Gordon J. Holtslander wrote:
> > > > Hello Everyone
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to all for their words of support - I'm humbled :) - spent
> > > > yesterday helping out a fundraising charity I help every year ( I
> > > > usually take a vacation day to do this - unnecessary this
> > > year) - we
> > > > brought in over $150,000 - I do the computer stuff :)
> > > >
> > > > Many list members have offered hosting solutions. While I
> > > initially
> > > > wanted to go with an academic instituion I no longer
> > believe one of
> > > > these will provide the long term stability we are after.
> > Unless an
> > > > art-culture based institution steps forward and makes a long term
> > > > committment - but even then - organizations change their
> > > priorities ...
> > > >
> > > > I think the best long term solution is to host the list on
> > > a private
> > > > hosting service. There would be a cost involved eventually
> > > - a number
> > > > of members have offered ( or have already) set up
> > something. Some
> > > > members have access to hosting services at no cost - these
> > > can be used
> > > > as well. I don't want the list to be dependent upon the
> > > charity of an
> > > > individual or organization in the long term.
> > > >
> > > > Making this list survive in the long term will involve
> > > spending money
> > > > - not likely a significant amount - but some. Independence
> > > cost money ....
> > > >
> > > > I need to know whether list members would be willing to
> > > donate money
> > > > to the costs of hosting this list on a private server. I
> > would not
> > > > want to make joining the list contingent upon paying a fee
> > > - but some
> > > > list members would have to donate some money.
> > > > Perhaps something as simple as an annual print draw -
> > List members
> > > > donate a few prints - list members ( or anyone for that
> > matter) buy
> > > > tickets. The money from ticket sales funds the list
> > > hosting service.
> > > > Could provide us with the ability to host a more
> > > sophisticated service.
> > > >
> > > > Rather than picking and choosing from free services we
> > could have a
> > > > good text mailing list and a web based service to upload
> > images and
> > > > datafiles without worry of censorship, copyright or
> > > interference from
> > > > any other organization. - but it would cost money and
> > take a great
> > > > deal of organization.
> > > >
> > > > If something like this was set up the details of how and
> > where the
> > > > list is hosted could be managed by a few individuals -
> > > without having
> > > > to worry about a panicked move from one charitable
> > > > institution/individual to another.
> > > >
> > > > If this is the case, the list could eventually if needed,
> > form some
> > > > sort of non-profit to insure its long-term survival.
> > > >
> > > > It all depends on what value this community holds for itself.
> > > >
> > > > If we don't want to pursue an independently self-funded
> > > > organization/arrangement I will move the list to one of
> > > the academic
> > > > sites that seems to insure the longest service.
> > > >
> > > > Your thoughts please
> > > >
> > > > Gord
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Gordon J. Holtslander
> > > gjh@shaw.ca
> > >
> >
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