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RE: list home decisions



This one came in late. I emailed this the same day/time as I sent my previous one last weekend, but it just arrived now. Gord is already looking at different options.


Dave


>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: Dave S <fotodave@dsoemarko.us>
>  Subject: RE: list home decisions
>  Sent: 14 Nov '09 20:29
>  
>  PS: When I said I was going to offer hosting the list without charge, I didn't
>  mean hosting it with the dsoemarko.us account. I mean we can have a
>  alt-photo-process-list domain name, and I am willing to pay for it. At this
>  stage of life, the hosting fee is not very high to me.
>  
>  I do know that if we ask for donation, many people will be willing to chip in,
>  and as mentioned in the email below, it can be just $1-2 per person per year.
>  :-)
>  
>  
>  Dave  
>  
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Dave S [mailto:fotodave@dsoemarko.us]
>  > Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:26 PM
>  > To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
>  > Subject: RE: list home decisions
>  >
>  >
>  > I was going to offer hosting the list without charge, but it
>  > seems like Gord has thought about it and prefer not to have
>  > such arrangement.
>  >
>  > As you noticed, I have a web hosting service (note my email
>  > address). The service is not that expensive. With the service
>  > we can setup a mailing list (like I can set up
>  > alt-photo-process-list@dsoemarko.us) in 2 minutes and the
>  > list will be up immediately. I think we don't want the list
>  > to be associated with any one individual, but what we can do
>  > it apply for a domain name (I even checked it,
>  > alt-photo-process-list.com or .org are available).
>  >
>  > If we use the company which I am using right now, the annual
>  > fee is only about $80 with the new domain name. If only 10
>  > people are willing to donate, the donation will be less than
>  > $10 per year. If we have 20 people, it will be less than $5.
>  > If we have "too many" donators, then it will be a hassle to
>  > deposit all those 25-cent checks.  ;-)
>  >
>  > As I am quite familiar with this company who host my domain
>  > name, I can set one up easily. Perhaps I can then invite Gord
>  > and a few list minders to have control over the list so that
>  > it won't be tied to me alone.
>  >
>  > And we will have more than just a mailing list. We can have
>  > our web sites too.
>  > While we don't use web site much on this list, one
>  > possibility is to use it to host the images when we have
>  > traveling portfolio, for example.
>  >
>  > What do you guys think? I am not imposing anything. Just
>  > trying to offer some thing which I happen to be familiar
>  > already. Of course, if you don't want the list to be related
>  > to me at all, I can always just recommend the hosting service
>  > to Gord and he can set up a new account there (or else
>  > where). I have used this hosting service for many years and
>  > have no complain about it.
>  >
>  >
>  > Dave  
>  >
>  > > -----Original Message-----
>  > > From: Gordon J. Holtslander [mailto:gjh@shaw.ca]
>  > > Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:19 PM
>  > > To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
>  > > Subject: Re: list home decisions
>  > >
>  > > Yikes
>  > >
>  > > All I'm after is whether people want to pursue a self-funded
>  > > autonomous organization.  I think as little as $10.00 per year by a
>  > > significant number of people would provide plenty of funds.
>  > >
>  > > Hosting service cost between $20 to $100.00 per month depending on
>  > > there capabilities.
>  > >
>  > > I don't want the list swamped with details yet
>  > >
>  > > I just need to know if enough people will make the commitment.
>  > >
>  > > Please email me _privately_ if you would be willing to
>  > donate $10 to
>  > > $20 per year.  Better ways of raising money will likely be
>  > available.
>  > >
>  > > If we get enough people willing to make a commitment we can
>  > then work
>  > > on the details...
>  > >
>  > > So again please email me _privately_ if you would be
>  > willing to donate
>  > > to a self-funded alt-photo service.
>  > >
>  > > Gord
>  > >
>  > > Gordon J. Holtslander wrote:
>  > > > Hello Everyone
>  > > >
>  > > > Thanks to all for their words of support - I'm humbled :) - spent
>  > > > yesterday helping out a fundraising charity I help every year ( I
>  > > > usually take a vacation day to do this - unnecessary this
>  > > year) - we
>  > > > brought in over $150,000 - I do the computer stuff :)
>  > > >
>  > > > Many list members have offered hosting solutions.  While I
>  > > initially
>  > > > wanted to go with an academic instituion I no longer
>  > believe one of
>  > > > these will provide the long term stability we are after.  
>  > Unless an
>  > > > art-culture based institution steps forward and makes a long term
>  > > > committment - but even then - organizations change their
>  > > priorities ...
>  > > >
>  > > > I think the best long term solution is to host the list on
>  > > a private
>  > > > hosting service.  There would be a cost involved eventually
>  > > - a number
>  > > > of members have offered ( or have already) set up
>  > something.  Some
>  > > > members have access to hosting services at no cost - these
>  > > can be used
>  > > > as well.  I don't want the list to be dependent upon the
>  > > charity of an
>  > > > individual or organization in the long term.
>  > > >
>  > > > Making this list survive in the long term will  involve
>  > > spending money
>  > > > - not likely a significant amount - but some.  Independence
>  > > cost money ....
>  > > >
>  > > > I need to know whether list members would be willing to
>  > > donate money
>  > > > to the costs of hosting this list on a private server.  I
>  > would not
>  > > > want to make joining the list contingent upon paying a fee
>  > > - but some
>  > > > list members would have to donate some money.
>  > > > Perhaps something as simple as an annual print draw -
>  > List members
>  > > > donate a few prints - list members ( or anyone for that
>  > matter) buy
>  > > > tickets.  The money from ticket sales funds the list
>  > > hosting service.
>  > > > Could provide us with the ability to host a more
>  > > sophisticated service.
>  > > >
>  > > > Rather than picking and choosing from free services we
>  > could have a
>  > > > good text mailing list and a web based service to upload
>  > images and
>  > > > datafiles without worry of censorship, copyright or
>  > > interference from
>  > > > any other organization.  - but it would cost money and
>  > take a great
>  > > > deal of organization.
>  > > >
>  > > > If something like this was set up the details of how and
>  > where the
>  > > > list is hosted could be managed by a few individuals -
>  > > without having
>  > > > to worry about a panicked move from one charitable
>  > > > institution/individual to another.
>  > > >
>  > > > If this is the case, the list could eventually if needed,
>  > form some
>  > > > sort of non-profit to insure its long-term survival.
>  > > >
>  > > > It all depends on what value this community holds for itself.
>  > > >
>  > > > If we don't want to pursue an independently self-funded
>  > > > organization/arrangement  I will move the list to one of
>  > > the academic
>  > > > sites that seems to insure the longest service.
>  > > >
>  > > > Your thoughts please
>  > > >
>  > > > Gord
>  > > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > --
>  > > Gordon J. Holtslander
>  > > gjh@shaw.ca
>  > >
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