[alt-photo] Re: ware cyanotype paper sensitivity

Paul Viapiano viapiano at pacbell.net
Mon Jan 11 17:29:52 GMT 2010 

Christina,

I don't have problems, at least not yet, with longevity of the image.

Bienfang 360 gave good results too but can't remember if I toned it. I had 
very few successes as I was learning, and then Sam's tip (thanks!!!) opened 
op a whole new world for me.

I should try a few more on 360 and also the BFK I've been printing gum on...

Paul



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christina Anderson" <zphoto at montana.net>
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Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:02 AM
Subject: [alt-photo] Re: ware cyanotype paper sensitivity


> Paul,
> What is really strange is I have never had any problems with argyrotype 
> but VDB is a different story entirely.  Grayed, faded, several months 
> later big yellow spots all over...argyrotypes are fine.  So I'll let you 
> know how it goes!
>
> I also made my own solution at that time--didn't buy it premixed.
>
> I also never used it with FAEW but with vellum and Platine and BFK.
> Chris
>
> Christina Z. Anderson
> christinaZanderson.com
>
> On Jan 11, 2010, at 9:35 AM, Paul Viapiano wrote:
>
>> I say ar-jeer'-o-type
>>
>> And talk about picayune processes. Argys can be a big disappointment. 
>> Supposedly the buzz issue is: paper, paper, paper...but I find it way 
>> more difficult to get a decent image than pt/pd or dare I say, gum. 
>> There, I said it.
>>
>> Sam's tip made all the difference and the only place I've heard about it 
>> was here, from Sam himself. Add one part water to your coating mix and 
>> many problems will resolve inlcuding bleeding, etc...and try to tone it 
>> before the very weak fixer (2% sod thio).
>>
>> But, paper is the thing. Fab EW works well after an acid soak, same deal 
>> as pt/pd.
>>
>> Good luck...let us know how it turns out.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Cunningham" 
>> <trevor at chalkjockeys.com>
>> To: "The alternative photographic processes mailing list" 
>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:12 AM
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: ware cyanotype paper sensitivity
>>
>>
>>> there's gyrospcope...and then there's gyro, from the greek (purposely 
>>> ignoring the Cyrillic reality here), that has more of a gyuh sound
>>>
>>> Christina Anderson wrote:
>>>> Hmmm....this is interesting.
>>>>
>>>> I mean, there is "gyrate" as in ji-rate and we don't say guyrate or 
>>>> gheerate so that is the rub.  But you may be correct.
>>>>
>>>> I would feel bad mispronouncing it all semester :)
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>>> christinaZanderson.com
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 11, 2010, at 8:39 AM, John Brewer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I saw somewhere the pronunciation of gy in Argyrotype was 
>>>>> 'guy' tho
>>>>> I can't remember the source, James maybe?
>>>>>
>>>>> John.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org
>>>>> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>> Christina Anderson
>>>>> Sent: 11 January 2010 15:19
>>>>> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list
>>>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: ware cyanotype paper sensitivity
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam,
>>>>> I've gotten purple spots with traditional but NOTHING like the gross 
>>>>> purple
>>>>> fog that happened with Ware's. This was definitely not the wet issue 
>>>>> that I
>>>>> have seen on my and student work.  It is like an overall haze of 
>>>>> mid-shade
>>>>> lavender.
>>>>>
>>>>> This semester I am having my alt class do cyanotype, argyrotype 
>>>>> instead of
>>>>> VDB, gum, and pt/pd...I thought I'd switch to argyrotype for a while. 
>>>>> It
>>>>> starts in 2 days...
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know HOW to pronounce argyrotype---is it ar JI ro type as 
>>>>> in HI
>>>>> or ar ghee ro type or ar jee ro type???
>>>>>
>>>>> It is very cold here--but not as cold as Florida :)  It is about 10 
>>>>> degrees
>>>>> right now and dry dry dry so it beat Florida's 34 humidity.  I can't 
>>>>> believe
>>>>> I went to Florida and never wore a bathingsuit. OR got a tan.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I did get LOTS of work done!!! And some excellent time management 
>>>>> books,
>>>>> too, to start the new year right.
>>>>>
>>>>> One tip of which is the two minute rule--if it is a two-minute task, 
>>>>> do it
>>>>> now.
>>>>> Chris
>>>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>>>> christinaZanderson.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 11, 2010, at 8:06 AM, sam wang wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you not gotten "purple fog" with the "cyanotype classic"? I 
>>>>>> have, and
>>>>>>
>>>>> attribute it to paper not thoroughly dry when exposed. Or have you 
>>>>> come
>>>>> across a new bug?
>>>>>
>>>>>> The pre-coated paper and cloth I received years ago from Blue 
>>>>>> Printables
>>>>>>
>>>>> all had quite severe blue/green colors but as you said, all exposed 
>>>>> and
>>>>> developed with no problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam
>>>>>> PS: is it as cold and dry in Montana as it is in SC? Not easy to do 
>>>>>> any
>>>>>>
>>>>> alt printing!
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 10, 2010, at 12:19 AM, Christina Anderson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Earl,
>>>>>>> Did you expose it?  I expose paper that turns blue-green (Fabriano
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Artistico does that to me regularly) and it works just fine. It may be 
>>>>> that
>>>>> it is duller and lower contrast, though.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem with unsuitable paper and Ware's was that after exposure 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>> developing you will get a yukky purple fog in all the highlights that 
>>>>> really
>>>>> ruins the print.  But if you add citric acid to the Wares coating mix 
>>>>> that
>>>>> takes care of that.  1 or 2 drops of 40% citric acid to 1 ml 
>>>>> sensitizer or 1
>>>>> g. citric acid to 100ml solution.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you won't know if you get yukky purple fog or dull/low contrast 
>>>>>>> blue
>>>>>>>
>>>>> until you expose and develop. At which point, use the citric.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let us know.
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Christina Z. Anderson
>>>>>>> christinaZanderson.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 9, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Earl and Patty Johnson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am new to this list, but I recognize almost all of your names 
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> other places. I hope that some of you can shed some light on my 
>>>>> situation.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Today I coated some Mike Ware formula new cyanotype on Arches 
>>>>>>>> Aquarelle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> grain satine, and it turned bluish/green before it even dried. I know 
>>>>> that
>>>>> this sensitizer is sensitive (pun intended) to paper chemistry, but I
>>>>> expected this paper to work. Does anyone have experience with this
>>>>> combination? Does the paper have an alkali buffer that can be 
>>>>> neutralized
>>>>> with a soak in something like citric acid solution before coating? Or 
>>>>> is my
>>>>> cyanotype solution bad and should be discarded? Or is this paper 
>>>>> verboten
>>>>> for new cyanotype?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I like the Ware formula - I get six or seven more steps in the 
>>>>>>>> Stouffer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> wedge than I do with the traditional formula. However, it is 
>>>>> frustrating to
>>>>> coat it on expensive paper and see it fog spontaneously.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for any comments.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Earl Johnson
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