[alt-photo] Re: Is this mailing list still active?

[Paul Viapiano]

Kurt,

Welcome to the list...

As some have mentioned, gum printers are all over the map.

I don't size my Fabriano EW soft press, and I use negs for pt/pd...it all 
boils down to individual preferences and workflow. If there is a process 
that definitely does not have a "do this, do that" dictum, it's gum...but 
one thing that is amazing, no matter how different we all are, there is an 
amazing amount to learn from each person.

Here are three soft press gums, no size, one mono, two with pt/pd neg color 
separations (in other words, negs made with my QTR pt/pd profile):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/viapiano/5389050937/in/set-72157624234247830/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/viapiano/4676426612/in/set-72157624234247830/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/viapiano/4667167861/in/set-72157624234247830/

Enjoy your stay here...

Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kurt Nagy" <kakarott76 at hotmail.com>
To: "Alt photo Process" <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 3:02 PM
Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Is this mailing list still active?


>
> I see, thanks!
>
>
>> From: juliansmart at virginmedia.com
>> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org
>> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:30:16 +0000
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Is this mailing list still active?
>>
>> Hi Kurt,
>>
>> Welcome to the list.
>>
>> As one of the resident lurking gum printers, I would like to suggest that
>> you do not try to reduce the density of your negatives by underexposing.
>> This will only lead to a loss of shadow detail. You need to retain your
>> shadow detail by exposing correctly and lower the contrast of the 
>> negative
>> by cutting back on the development time. Gum is a short scale process, 
>> that
>> is it can only record a few grades of tone (or shades of grey if you are
>> printing a step wedge), and needs a negative with a somewhat expanded 
>> tonal
>> range to produce the complete set of tones that existed in the original
>> scene. Think of a Silver Gelatine neg. needing a grade 3 or 4 printing
>> paper and you will be in the ball park.
>> Of course, as with all things gum related, there are a thousand and one 
>> ways
>> of doing the same thing and it all really boils down to individual 
>> working
>> methods and requirements- every gum printer has .
>>
>> Regarding your use of Gesso in the gelatine size, I can comment that I 
>> have
>> tried this, hoping that it would remove the need for a hardener- the 
>> Gesso
>> renders the gelatine coating insoluble in water- and had reasonable 
>> results
>> this way. I did find the prints had a rather sparkly finish, though!
>> Good luck and let us know how you get on.
>>
>> Julian Smart
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Kurt Nagy" <kakarott76 at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Alt photo Process" <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 8:14 PM
>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Is this mailing list still active?
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Thanks for the reply, good to know its still active!
>> >
>> > At the moment I'm working with negatives I've used in printing and 
>> > other
>> > projects, which print just fine but again may be on the dense side.
>> > I haven't taken any shots that specifically will be used in gum, when I 
>> > do
>> > I think I may purposesly underexpose a stop or 2, finding a happy 
>> > medium
>> > between too dense or thin.
>> >
>> > I'll see if I can upload some of the few of the test prints I made to
>> > flickr and post a link. At the moment the highlights are clearing but
>> > losing detail in the shadows, jsut seems like they are overexposed. 
>> > Where
>> > as in a normal print, the shadows are dark but still detail in it. 
>> > <shrug>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: donsbryant at gmail.com
>> >> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org
>> >> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 21:49:28 -0400
>> >> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Is this mailing list still active?
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> Hello, my name is Kurt Nagy
>> >>
>> >> This post is just an introduction and to see if there are still people
>> >> out
>> >> there.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Greetings Kurt and Welcome to the "List"!
>> >>
>> >> The List has been Listless for quite a while now with a few bursts of
>> >> posting now and then. Many of the List gum printers lurk in the 
>> >> shadows
>> >> and
>> >> don't post frequently. Perhaps your questions and comments about gum
>> >> printing will invigorate discussions about gum printing.
>> >>
>> >> First, if possible try not printing with dense negatives. Long 
>> >> exposure
>> >> times can cause problems with gum. I assume you are experiencing 
>> >> anemic
>> >> looking prints. Using a saturated solution of potassium bichromate 
>> >> will
>> >> work
>> >> fine though ammonium bichromate is more light sensitive.
>> >>
>> >> Tri-color gum with film separations eh? Your are an ambitious man! Of
>> >> course
>> >> you will need to use a panchromatic film. Steve Anchell the former 
>> >> editor
>> >> of
>> >> Photovision magazine, wrote an article published sometime in the mid 
>> >> 80s
>> >> or
>> >> 90s describing his method of printing tri-color gum using TMAX 100 
>> >> film.
>> >> Perhaps one of our list members can tell what the publication date was
>> >> and
>> >> what magazine the article was printed in.
>> >>
>> >> Good luck,
>> >>
>> >> Don Bryant
>> >>
>> >>
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