[alt-photo] Re: OLDER PT/PD COATED PAPER, WARMER TONE?
Eric Neilsen
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Mon Nov 28 22:13:00 GMT 2011
Bob, If your process is repeatable, which I know you have it down, then take
the piece that has been sealed, kept away from incidental humidity, even put
in a desiccant, and then humidify it. That will also tell you if it's age
only or the water getting into the paper. I didn't see where you were
storing the resting paper.
Eric Neilsen
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DEAR ERIC,
All that you say seems correct. However, there is one major point.
However good or bad my re-humidifying process is, I do it in an extremely
repeatable way and the only variable was the aging of the coated paper.
This is the first time I have used paper coated more than 1 hour (3 days)
before exposing. All other prints have nearly exactly the same
color...which supports my claim of repeatable (regardless of how good or
bad) re-moisturization. Again, the ghosts of Rickmers and Todd are
encouraging me to do a larger sample size when I have a moment but, so far,
the aging seems to be the only variable. I will do this experiment when I
am not under a deadline to finish prints for the Tuesday evening launch of
my BARBADOS CHATTEL HOUSES book...my first book of fine art black and white
photos, shot all 8X10.
My next step will be a humidifying box with input from a cool
moisturizer.
CHEERS!
BOB
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Well, unless you've tested that method with an bit more science, I'd doubt
the range that you have achieved to be totally accurate and while it may be
even and some point, it may not be the best method. How long are you doing
the humidifying? 1/2 hr?
Aging of coated paper may be the issue, as in the pd, and pt are having some
time to comingle and having some bonding changes take place. If it is an
aging thing, I'd suspect we could find out by sealing a piece of dried paper
and resting it for the day or two, and then doing the humidification process
just as you normally do it. If it's a water/humidity contribution, I'd
expect less or no change as your method stayed the same. If there is a big
change, I'd expect it would be due to a chemical reaction we can't easily
measure.
I have an enclosed box that my coated paper hangs in with constant air
circulation with a humidifier (water wicking and fan) and an additional
small fan. My paper hangs for a minimum of 1/2 hr.
Eric Neilsen
Eric Neilsen Photography
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DEAR ERIC,
I have always humidified the same way: a pan of boiling water with
a spatter guard screen over it. I hold all paper exactly the same height
above the pan (marked on the wall behind the sink) so that the steam is cool
and wet. I also humidify each size paper for the same time, less for 11x14
more for 20x24. This is rather well controlled so I don't believe it is a
variable. The only variable that I can see if the aging of the coated
paper.
CHEERS!
BOB
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Well, I can't say that I've seen it in a while. I can say that Pt Pd mixes
have a warmer look than a fresh mix. In other words, if the mix you use is
3:1 and you always use it that way, you can pre mix it; put both in a bottle
and rather than measuring a portion of Pt and of Pd each time you coat you
simply use your 3:1 mixture, Yes that will be warmer. Would I expect to see
it show up in a coated piece? maybe. I also suspect that unless you are
careful about how you humidify, the real humidity in the paper may be
different than that of your measured amount; different amount and you have a
different color print.
How do you humidify your paper?
Eric Neilsen
Eric Neilsen Photography
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Dallas, TX 75226
www.ericneilsenphotography.com
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DEAR MARK,
As mentioned, the process is exactly the same as those that are less
warm except that this paper aged 3 days. And, yes, the paper is cleared
(small unexposed dot on boarder). Just warmer.
CHEERS!
BOB
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does it clear ok?
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Mark Nelson
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On Nov 25, 2011, at 4:15 PM, BOB KISS wrote:
> DEAR LIST,
>
> I just had an interesting experience with DOP pt/pd
> printing
and
> wanted to know if others had the same.
>
> I use COT 320 paper with a high PD to PT drop ratio and
> process in POT OX at 40 C. On Tuesday, I coated a small sheet that I
> cut up into test strips. The strips used that day as well as the
> large sheet on which
I
> made the final print all had the usual lovely slightly warm tone to
> which
I
> am accustomed. Today I used the remaining test strip, re-humidifying
> it just as I had all the others, but this test strip looks a much
> warmer
brown,
> nearly chocolate.
>
> Has anyone else experienced this; if you coat, wait a few
> days, re-humidify, expose, and process as usual, do you get a warmer
> toned
print?
> This would be great to know when I want something very warm.
>
> As I only have a sample size of one, the ghosts of Rickmers
> and Todd are chiding me to experiment and increase the sample size but
> it sure helps to know if anyone else has experienced this.
>
> CHEERS!
>
> BOB
>
>
>
> Please check my website: <http://www.bobkiss.com/>
http://www.bobkiss.com/
>
>
>
>
> "Live as if you are going to die tomorrow. Learn as if you are going
> to live forever". Mahatma Gandhi
>
>
>
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