[alt-photo] Re: sizing options for color gum

Wed Jan 18 19:25:28 GMT 2012

I wasn't criticizing or one-upping you, Don...or calling YOU fussy...love 
ya, man!

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From: "Don Bryant" <donsbryant at gmail.com>
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Subject: [alt-photo] Re: sizing options for color gum

> Well to clarify for everyone, I have nothing against a foam brush or the
> foam roller; I coat with a micro-foam roller and then burnish with the
> badger hair brush, not fussy at all; quick, easy and effective for minor
> flaws like fish eyes.
>
> Don
>
>
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> Of
> Paul Viapiano
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>
> I use a foam brush or roller...works great, too!
>
> I find the less fussy I am with a process, the better it turns out...
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Don Bryant" <donsbryant at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:46 AM
> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: sizing options for color gum
>
>
>> +1. Perfect excuse to have a badger hair brush (real or fake).
>>
>> Don
>>
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>> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Paul Viapiano
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:36 PM
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>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: sizing options for color gum
>>
>> You can brush out those fish eyes... Just keep brushing if that's what
>> you're experiencing.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2012, at 3:39 AM, Henry Rattle <henry.rattle at ntlworld.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi - a year or two back I did some comparisons between PVA and my normal
>>> sizing of 3% food gelatin brushed on with formalin in a well-ventilated
>>> room. I use Saunders Waterford HP or Fabriano Artistico traditional 
>>> white
>>> CP, and these tests were with 3-colour prints coated in the order Winsor
>>> Yellow - WN Permanent Rose - Winsor Blue (green shade).
>>>
>>> The conclusions in my notebook were:
>>>
>>> PVA sizing is very quick and easy, and the paper curls less than with
>>> gelatin.
>>>
>>> At full strength, the Gamblin PVA-sized paper was hard to coat evenly
>>> with
>>> gum/pigment - lots of fish-eyes and lots of brushing needed (with
>>> gelatin,
>>> the gum goes on with relatively little brushing). Clearing the gum coat
>>> after exposure was almost too easy.
>>>
>>> With 1+1 dilution of the PVA, gum coats went on better. 1+2 was harder 
>>> to
>>> clear. Clearing was OK, but the final texture of the prints, viewed 
>>> close
>>> up, was noticeably less smooth with the PVA than with gelatin. The print
>>> texture is "speckled" - maybe I did't coat the PVA well enough - but I
>>> preferred the smoother final texture of the gelatin-sized print. Of
>> course,
>>> as Chris pointed out, PVA is a lot less hassle than coating with hot,
>> smelly
>>> gelatin!
>>>
>>> I'll give it another go - and next time I think I'll try Diana's 
>>> approach
>> of
>>> sizing only after the first colour layer. What a great source of
>> inspiration
>>> this list is!
>>>
>>> Best wishes to you all
>>>
>>> Henry
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17/01/2012 14:08, "Peter Blackburn" <blackburnap at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fair enough, to each his or her own. I originally kept an iron around 
>>>> as
>> a
>>>> "quick fix" to help flatten papers which exhibited too much curl and
>> buckling.
>>>>
>>>> Peter J. Blackburn
>>>>
>>>>> From: dhbloomfield at bellsouth.net
>>>>> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org
>>>>> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:51:52 -0500
>>>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: sizing options for color gum
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Peter.
>>>>>
>>>>> I actually did all but #3 on your list.  Honestly, I don't even think
>>>>> I own an iron (and don't plan on buying one any time soon).
>>>>>
>>>>> The final coat  (unsized) was actually fine; I certainly would have
>>>>> had no problem exhibiting it.  In a side-by-side comparison, though, I
>>>>> simply didn't like it as much as the one I made with a thin coating of
>>>>> PVA, so -- as stated before-- I'll happily go back to using that.  My
>>>>> preference is subjective, for sure; I could have shown it to someone
>>>>> else, and he/she may have liked the other better.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I don't actually find using PVA a problem-- at all.  It's non-
>>>>> toxic, relatively inexpensive, lasts forever, extraordinarily easy to
>>>>> use, doesn't leave a shine when I apply it, and takes very little time
>>>>> to apply (certainly less time than ironing-- though, at this point, I
>>>>> can barely remember what ironing is like??).
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Diana
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 17, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Peter Blackburn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a brief follow up on this portion of Diana's comment,  "I know
>>>>>> you're already aware of all this, and this isn't specifically
>>>>>>> what you asked--  but I also recently printed an image on Fabriano
>>>>>>> soft-press without sizing all, using what was only in the paper.  It
>>>>>>> did really well, though I felt the third coat wasn't as "clean" as I
>>>>>>> would have preferred-- so I just went back to using the PVA.  I just
>>>>>>> know for sure, using that, that I won't have a problem." My
>>>>>>> suggestions would be 1) be certain the chosen pigments are capable
>>>>>>> of printing "clean" on out-of-the-package Fabriano if brilliant
>>>>>>> highlights are desired. 2) be certain the paper is completely dry
>>>>>>> between coats, and 3) before applying an additional coat, try
>>>>>>> ironing the paper with the iron set on a midrange heat selection.
>>>>>>> AKD is a type of synthetic wax which "melts" under heat. Ironing
>>>>>>> the paper will restore a bit of smoothness while rejuvenating the
>>>>>>> residing AKD in the paper.  Cheers everyone!
>>>>>> Peter J. Blackburn
>>>>>
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