From kakarott76 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 2 00:19:05 2013 From: kakarott76 at hotmail.com (Kurt Nagy) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 00:19:05 +0000 Subject: [Alt-photo] Albumen Gold Toning Message-ID: Hey all, I picked up a Albumen kit from Bostick and Sullivan not long ago and was going to try making a print tonight. In the kit it has 250ml of Ammonium Thiocyanate (2%) and 250 ml Gold Chloride (.2%) but the documentation does not list the mixing formula for a working solution. Their website only mentions that the kit includes a "250ml part A and B Thiocyanate gold toner. My initial guess (99% sure) would be its an equal part A/B mix but looking online I found this http://www.alternativephotography.com/wp/processes/albumen/albumen-printing Diluting should only weaken the toner which would require a longer toning time frame correct? A second question would be, is the gold toner a 1 shot or can it be reused until exhausted? Thanks Kurt From frangst at gmail.com Tue Apr 2 00:35:23 2013 From: frangst at gmail.com (francis schanberger) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 20:35:23 -0400 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Albumen Gold Toning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Equal parts A and B at working strength. Just mix up enough to tone the prints you are working with because it won't keep once you mix the two together. are both solutions at 0.2% already? -francis On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Kurt Nagy wrote: > Hey all, > > I picked up a Albumen kit from Bostick and Sullivan not long ago and was > going to try making a print tonight. In the kit it has 250ml of Ammonium > Thiocyanate (2%) and 250 ml Gold Chloride (.2%) but the documentation does > not list the mixing formula for a working solution. Their website only > mentions that the kit includes a "250ml part A and B Thiocyanate gold toner. > > My initial guess (99% sure) would be its an equal part A/B mix but looking > online I found this > > http://www.alternativephotography.com/wp/processes/albumen/albumen-printing > > Diluting should only weaken the toner which would require a longer toning > time frame correct? A second question would be, is the gold toner a 1 shot > or can it be reused until exhausted? > > Thanks > > Kurt > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | lists.altphotolist.org/mailman/listinfo > -- francis schanberger www.francisschanberger.com From kakarott76 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 2 00:42:16 2013 From: kakarott76 at hotmail.com (Kurt Nagy) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 00:42:16 +0000 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Albumen Gold Toning In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Thanks for the reply. No they are not, the Ammonium Thiocyanate is labeled as 2% and the Gold Chloride is labeled as .2%. Both are 250ml portions though. > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 20:35:23 -0400 > From: frangst at gmail.com > To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org > Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Albumen Gold Toning > > Equal parts A and B at working strength. Just mix up enough to tone the > prints you are working with because it won't keep once you mix the two > together. > > are both solutions at 0.2% already? > > -francis > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Kurt Nagy wrote: > > > Hey all, > > > > I picked up a Albumen kit from Bostick and Sullivan not long ago and was > > going to try making a print tonight. In the kit it has 250ml of Ammonium > > Thiocyanate (2%) and 250 ml Gold Chloride (.2%) but the documentation does > > not list the mixing formula for a working solution. Their website only > > mentions that the kit includes a "250ml part A and B Thiocyanate gold toner. > > > > My initial guess (99% sure) would be its an equal part A/B mix but looking > > online I found this > > > > http://www.alternativephotography.com/wp/processes/albumen/albumen-printing > > > > Diluting should only weaken the toner which would require a longer toning > > time frame correct? A second question would be, is the gold toner a 1 shot > > or can it be reused until exhausted? > > > > Thanks > > > > Kurt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Alt-photo-process-list | lists.altphotolist.org/mailman/listinfo > > > > > > -- > francis schanberger > > www.francisschanberger.com > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | lists.altphotolist.org/mailman/listinfo From frangst at gmail.com Tue Apr 2 01:12:25 2013 From: frangst at gmail.com (francis schanberger) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 21:12:25 -0400 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Albumen Gold Toning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just realized I have an albumen book somewhere but for the moment .... this is for toning vandyke brown so use at your discretion. I usually work with a 1% solution of each before making the work solution when I am toning with ammonium thiocyanate and am fairly certain I use thiourea at the same dilution before making a working strength solution. I just realized my grasp of dilutions has atrophied since inorganic chem in college but I generally mix about 50 cc of each stock in tap water to make 500 cc of working strength. The two working strength solutions get mixed together to tone about three 18" x 23" vandyke browns. Usually by the third print toning times have gotten very long (ten minutes). At the risk of steering you wrong (Albumen is a different albeit related beast), I would suggest working with the gold chloride at its current dilution and dilute the ammonium thiocyanate to 0.2%. Then mix equal proportions together for toning. You should see a flash of red as you mix the two together before it settles down to form a colorless solution. Here's a reference *http://unblinkingeye.com/Articles/GTV/gtv.html* * * *the toning section is about 4/5 of the page down.* * * *-francis * On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Kurt Nagy wrote: > Thanks for the reply. > > No they are not, the Ammonium Thiocyanate is labeled as 2% and the Gold > Chloride is labeled as .2%. Both are 250ml portions though. > > > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 20:35:23 -0400 > > From: frangst at gmail.com > > To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org > > Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Albumen Gold Toning > > > > Equal parts A and B at working strength. Just mix up enough to tone the > > prints you are working with because it won't keep once you mix the two > > together. > > > > are both solutions at 0.2% already? > > > > -francis > > > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Kurt Nagy > wrote: > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > I picked up a Albumen kit from Bostick and Sullivan not long ago and > was > > > going to try making a print tonight. In the kit it has 250ml of > Ammonium > > > Thiocyanate (2%) and 250 ml Gold Chloride (.2%) but the documentation > does > > > not list the mixing formula for a working solution. Their website only > > > mentions that the kit includes a "250ml part A and B Thiocyanate gold > toner. > > > > > > My initial guess (99% sure) would be its an equal part A/B mix but > looking > > > online I found this > > > > > > > http://www.alternativephotography.com/wp/processes/albumen/albumen-printing > > > > > > Diluting should only weaken the toner which would require a longer > toning > > > time frame correct? A second question would be, is the gold toner a 1 > shot > > > or can it be reused until exhausted? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Kurt > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Alt-photo-process-list | lists.altphotolist.org/mailman/listinfo > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > francis schanberger > > > > www.francisschanberger.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Alt-photo-process-list | lists.altphotolist.org/mailman/listinfo > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | lists.altphotolist.org/mailman/listinfo > -- francis schanberger www.francisschanberger.com From kakarott76 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 2 02:17:45 2013 From: kakarott76 at hotmail.com (Kurt Nagy) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 02:17:45 +0000 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Albumen Gold Toning In-Reply-To: References: , , , Message-ID: I appreciate the help Francis, I'll try what you suggested for tonight and probably call B&S tomorrow to see what they recommend. Thanks Kurt > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 21:12:25 -0400 > From: frangst at gmail.com > To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org > Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Albumen Gold Toning > > I just realized I have an albumen book somewhere but for the moment .... > > this is for toning vandyke brown so use at your discretion. > > I usually work with a 1% solution of each before making the work solution > when I am toning with ammonium thiocyanate and am fairly certain I use > thiourea at the same dilution before making a working strength solution. > > > I just realized my grasp of dilutions has atrophied since inorganic chem in > college but I generally mix about 50 cc of each stock in tap water to make > 500 cc of working strength. The two working strength solutions get mixed > together to tone about three 18" x 23" vandyke browns. Usually by the third > print toning times have gotten very long (ten minutes). > > > At the risk of steering you wrong (Albumen is a different albeit related > beast), I would suggest working with the gold chloride at its current > dilution and dilute the ammonium thiocyanate to 0.2%. Then mix equal > proportions together for toning. > > You should see a flash of red as you mix the two together before it settles > down to form a colorless solution. > > Here's a reference > > *http://unblinkingeye.com/Articles/GTV/gtv.html* > * > * > *the toning section is about 4/5 of the page down.* > * > * > *-francis > * > > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Kurt Nagy wrote: > > > Thanks for the reply. > > > > No they are not, the Ammonium Thiocyanate is labeled as 2% and the Gold > > Chloride is labeled as .2%. Both are 250ml portions though. > > > > > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 20:35:23 -0400 > > > From: frangst at gmail.com > > > To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org > > > Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Albumen Gold Toning > > > > > > Equal parts A and B at working strength. Just mix up enough to tone the > > > prints you are working with because it won't keep once you mix the two > > > together. > > > > > > are both solutions at 0.2% already? > > > > > > -francis > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Kurt Nagy > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > > > I picked up a Albumen kit from Bostick and Sullivan not long ago and > > was > > > > going to try making a print tonight. In the kit it has 250ml of > > Ammonium > > > > Thiocyanate (2%) and 250 ml Gold Chloride (.2%) but the documentation > > does > > > > not list the mixing formula for a working solution. Their website only > > > > mentions that the kit includes a "250ml part A and B Thiocyanate gold > > toner. > > > > > > > > My initial guess (99% sure) would be its an equal part A/B mix but > > looking > > > > online I found this > > > > > > > > > > http://www.alternativephotography.com/wp/processes/albumen/albumen-printing > > > > > > > > Diluting should only weaken the toner which would require a longer > > toning > > > > time frame correct? A second question would be, is the gold toner a 1 > > shot > > > > or can it be reused until exhausted? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Kurt > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Alt-photo-process-list | lists.altphotolist.org/mailman/listinfo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > francis schanberger > > > > > > www.francisschanberger.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Alt-photo-process-list | lists.altphotolist.org/mailman/listinfo > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Alt-photo-process-list | lists.altphotolist.org/mailman/listinfo > > > > > > -- > francis schanberger > > www.francisschanberger.com > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | lists.altphotolist.org/mailman/listinfo From photographeur at nerdshack.com Tue Apr 2 02:53:26 2013 From: photographeur at nerdshack.com (etienne garbaux) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 22:53:26 -0400 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Albumen Gold Toning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130402025330.D9ACC11BAC6@karen.lavabit.com> For reference, the canonical thiocyanate/gold toner for albumen prints was: Sodium thiocyanate ..........................15-20 g 1 % Gold chloride solution ................ 60-80 ml Water.......................................to make 1 liter I have used thiocyanate/gold toners, but I much prefer borax/gold toners for albumen prints. A classic formula was: Borax (sodium borate) ........................... 10 g 1 % Gold chloride solution...................... 40 ml Water .......................................to make 1 liter Both formulae from Reilly's Albumen & Salted Paper book Best regards, etienne From kakarott76 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 2 16:14:27 2013 From: kakarott76 at hotmail.com (Kurt Nagy) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 16:14:27 +0000 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Albumen Gold Toning In-Reply-To: <20130402025330.D9ACC11BAC6@karen.lavabit.com> References: , , , , , <20130402025330.D9ACC11BAC6@karen.lavabit.com> Message-ID: Appreciate the help. Just got an email from B&S, per them "Hi Kurt, Yes, 50ml of A with 50ml of B and dilute with 900ml of water. After each print you can add 10-15ml of gold to the bath to replenish. the thiocyanate isn?t necessary to replenish, so that means you?ll run out of the gold chloride first if toning a lot of prints." > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 22:53:26 -0400 > To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org > From: photographeur at nerdshack.com > Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Albumen Gold Toning > > For reference, the canonical thiocyanate/gold toner for albumen prints was: > > Sodium thiocyanate ..........................15-20 g > 1 % Gold chloride solution ................ 60-80 ml > Water.......................................to make 1 liter > > I have used thiocyanate/gold toners, but I much prefer borax/gold > toners for albumen prints. A classic formula was: > > Borax (sodium borate) ........................... 10 g > 1 % Gold chloride solution...................... 40 ml > Water .......................................to make 1 liter > > Both formulae from Reilly's Albumen & Salted Paper book > > > Best regards, > > etienne > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | lists.altphotolist.org/mailman/listinfo From jon at sharperstill.com Wed Apr 3 10:12:00 2013 From: jon at sharperstill.com (Jon Reid) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 21:12:00 +1100 Subject: [Alt-photo] $99 4x5 Kickstarter project Message-ID: <-3630299341648213303@unknownmsgid> I'm not affiliated in any way but I thought some might be interested in this Kickstarter to create a production run of 4x5 point and shoot cameras that will sell for $99 without lens. There's a long thread about it on the Large Format Photography page. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wanderlust/travelwide-45-camera Jon http://www.sharperstill.com +61 417 622 470 @sharperstill From JoeSarff at aol.com Sat Apr 6 02:14:50 2013 From: JoeSarff at aol.com (JoeSarff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 22:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Alt-photo] Renee Randant Sarff 1962 - 2013 Message-ID: For those of you who know Renee and I through our travels to View Camera conferences and the APIS and Platypus Conferences here in Santa Fe I just wanted you to know that Renee died of heart failure on April 4, 2013 after a short illness. The funeral will be in Belleville Illinois. Please keep her son Andrew, his wife Cindy and their daughter Rylin in your prayers. Thank you for your kind thoughts. Joe Sarff From dlhbloomfield at gmail.com Wed Apr 10 18:32:42 2013 From: dlhbloomfield at gmail.com (Diana Bloomfield) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:32:42 -0400 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: LightBox Photographic/Katharine Thayer exhibit In-Reply-To: <41A884D2-2AB8-4DB9-AAF1-711AD1833EA0@gmail.com> References: <41A884D2-2AB8-4DB9-AAF1-711AD1833EA0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Over the last few weeks, several of you wrote to me off-list about this exhibit in honor of Katharine, as well as the call for gum prints, and I just realized that the deadline is coming up-- the 13th-- so I wanted to remind all of you who do gum prints (including gum-overs) and-- of course-- anyone who feels Katharine helped them in any way-- to definitely send in your work. So many beautiful gum prints in Chris's book, too-- would love to see those in person. I've been working with Michael, at Lightbox, and Katharine's family on pulling together a lot of Katharine's prints-- so I think it will be exciting to see those in 'real life,' too. So, anyway-- here's the info again. I'll be out there for the opening, as will Katharine's daughter and son. If any of you live out that way, do come by the opening and introduce yourself. Hope to see you (and your prints) there! And if you have any questions, just post them-- or email me off-list if you'd rather. -Diana > > http://lightbox-photographic.com/call-for-entries/two_friends_who_never_met > From workshops at polychrome.nl Fri Apr 12 18:37:43 2013 From: workshops at polychrome.nl (Kees Brandenburg) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:37:43 +0200 Subject: [Alt-photo] DAS Message-ID: <5173CBE9-8549-4EF8-BD81-7998EF905F89@polychrome.nl> I was wondering if there are people on the list who participated in the DAS group buy that was organized some time ago. DAS is the acronym for 4,4'-Diazidostilbene-2,2'-disulfonic acid, disodium salt, tetrahydrate and is a non- or less toxic replacement for dichromates in carbon printing. I am using it for some years now and am quiet happy with it. Most handy is the non existing dark effect. Carbon tissue can be made presensitized. This speeds up printing a lot. Recently I also tested it with casein and found out that it works extremely well! I am looking forward hearing other people's experience with this powder! Kees From keith.gerling at gmail.com Fri Apr 12 19:29:18 2013 From: keith.gerling at gmail.com (Keith Gerling) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:29:18 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DAS In-Reply-To: <5173CBE9-8549-4EF8-BD81-7998EF905F89@polychrome.nl> References: <5173CBE9-8549-4EF8-BD81-7998EF905F89@polychrome.nl> Message-ID: I purchased some to use with casein. I haven't tried it yet, but I'm happy to hear you've had good success with it. Would you mind sharing your casein procedure? Keith On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Kees Brandenburg wrote: > I was wondering if there are people on the list who participated in the > DAS group buy that was organized some time ago. > DAS is the acronym for 4,4'-Diazidostilbene-2,2'-disulfonic acid, disodium > salt, tetrahydrate and is a non- or less toxic replacement for dichromates > in carbon printing. I am using it for some years now and am quiet happy > with it. Most handy is the non existing dark effect. Carbon tissue can be > made presensitized. This speeds up printing a lot. > > Recently I also tested it with casein and found out that it works > extremely well! I am looking forward hearing other people's experience > with this powder! > > Kees > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | lists.altphotolist.org/mailman/listinfo > From workshops at polychrome.nl Fri Apr 12 20:33:25 2013 From: workshops at polychrome.nl (Kees Brandenburg) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 22:33:25 +0200 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DAS In-Reply-To: References: <5173CBE9-8549-4EF8-BD81-7998EF905F89@polychrome.nl> Message-ID: <07B25DB4-AA7E-4EA7-9983-0A13AF381CE1@polychrome.nl> Hi Keith, I started using powdered casein, 4 gram in 25 ml cold water. After a 1 hour soak I am adding 1 gr ammonium carbonate in a little (1 or 2 ml) water. Warming this 'au bain marie' and stirring until most of the bubbles are gone results in a fairly thick casein paste. I started testing with a 1:1 mix of this casein preparation with a saturated 3% DAS solution and lampblack watercolor pigment. After some tests I started cutting down the DAS concentration and am using a 2% solution now. Lower concentrations might work too. With this mix I can print negatives with a lot larger density range than I am used to with gum. My first tests were dissappointing because of a too low negative contrast and a too high sensitizer concentration. Printing times are (much) shorter than with dichromates. Kees On 12 apr. 2013, at 21:29, Keith Gerling wrote: > I purchased some to use with casein. I haven't tried it yet, but I'm happy > to hear you've had good success with it. Would you mind sharing your > casein procedure? > > Keith > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Kees Brandenburg > wrote: > >> I was wondering if there are people on the list who participated in the >> DAS group buy that was organized some time ago. >> DAS is the acronym for 4,4'-Diazidostilbene-2,2'-disulfonic acid, disodium >> salt, tetrahydrate and is a non- or less toxic replacement for dichromates >> in carbon printing. I am using it for some years now and am quiet happy >> with it. Most handy is the non existing dark effect. Carbon tissue can be >> made presensitized. This speeds up printing a lot. >> >> Recently I also tested it with casein and found out that it works >> extremely well! I am looking forward hearing other people's experience >> with this powder! >> >> Kees >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | lists.altphotolist.org/mailman/listinfo >> > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | lists.altphotolist.org/mailman/listinfo