[alt-photo] Re: Preshrinking paper for gum?

[Diana Bloomfield]

Hi Ricardo,

No, I never size it, and I use that paper only for gum printing.  I've printed up to as many as 6 layers, with absolutely no issues.  In fact, I had more issues when I did size.  

I *think* it was Paul Viapiano on the List here who first suggested this paper-- maybe someone else, too-- I can't remember-- but I've been using it now for a long long time, and I've just never had an issue with it.  I've told people about it before, but I think they never hear the word "soft-press," so you have to ensure that you're getting Fabriano soft-press, because (in my experience), the other Fabriano papers (labeled hot press; rough; or cold press) do not work like that.

Diana

On Jan 17, 2013, at 3:17 PM, Ricardo Wildberger Lisboa wrote:

> Diana and Denny, thank you for the information.
> 
> Diana, you say you don't even size on that paper? Don't you ever size the paper for gum printing?
> 
> Ricardo.
> 
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> Em 17/01/2013, às 16:30, Kurt Nagy <kakarott76 at hotmail.com> escreveu:
> 
>> I never preshrink either.  Only issues I have with registration come from my own lining up the negative
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2013, at 12:18 PM, "Denny" <dspector at charter.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Diana, thanks, "almost seemed pointless" pretty much sums up what I found.
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Diana Bloomfield
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>>> Subject: [alt-photo] Re: Preshrinking paper for gum?
>>> 
>>> Hey Denny,
>>> 
>>> I don't shrink paper anymore--- with the paper I now use-- but back when I
>>> did (and I never did real tests on it like you)-- I realized, at some point,
>>> that the temperature of the water didn't really seem to matter much.   And
>>> really hot water seemed to offer bad results-- bad things happened with
>>> really hot water.   Also, no matter how much I left it in water--
>>> registration was still never perfect-- so it almost seemed pointless.  And
>>> then I discovered the perfect paper that required no pre-shrinking (up to a
>>> certain size), and no sizing-- so I put it all out of my head after that. ;)
>>> 
>>> Diana
>>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2013, at 1:03 PM, Denny wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Folks, I did some simple testing to try to evaluate how to shrink 
>>>> paper, details here:
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.dennisspector.com/technotes/preshrink.html
>>>> 
>>>> I was surprised by the results, and I'm wondering if anyone else has 
>>>> looked at this closely, what did you find?  Any noticeable effects of 
>>>> water temperature?  Amount of shrinking?  (I'm sure these vary with 
>>>> different papers, and I know some papers may not require any 
>>>> preshrinking.)
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Denny
>>>> 
>>>> 
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