From fernandocruzf at gmail.com Sat Feb 1 02:52:32 2014 From: fernandocruzf at gmail.com (fernando cruz florez) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 21:52:32 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Mike Ware's updated e-book on the cyanotype process available for download In-Reply-To: References: <52E6C31E.2000903@gmail.com> Message-ID: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47727259/Cyanomicon.pdf Fernando Cruz 57 3108686025 www.fotografiacolombiana.com El ene 31, 2014 6:10 PM, "Bert Kuijer" escribi?: > Hello Peter, > somehow I missed your original posting with the note from Mike Ware and the > link to his book. Could you please repost or mail it to me? > Thank you, > Bert from Holland > > 2014-01-27 Matti Koskinen : > > > On 27.1.2014 16:01, Peter Friedrichsen wrote: > > > >> Dear Alt -photo, > >> > >> Recently I was conversing via email with Dr. Mike Ware re, the cyanotype > >> process. He mention that he would be releasing an update to his book: > >> Cyanotype: The History, Science and Art of Photographic Printing in > >> Prussian Blue which is out of print but still viewable in parts through > >> Google Books. With permission, I have copied his note containing the > >> included link to the now freely downloadable updated version. > >> > >> Peter Friedrichsen > >> =========================== > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From gemeentehuis at gmail.com Sat Feb 1 13:16:09 2014 From: gemeentehuis at gmail.com (Bert Kuijer) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 14:16:09 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Mike Ware's updated e-book on the cyanotype process available for download In-Reply-To: References: <52E6C31E.2000903@gmail.com> Message-ID: Fernando, Thank you! I downloaded it. Just to be safe: this is a legal free download, I guess, sanctioned by Mike Warren? I don't want to rip him off for all the good work he did. Bert 2014-02-01 fernando cruz florez : > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47727259/Cyanomicon.pdf > > Fernando Cruz > 57 3108686025 > www.fotografiacolombiana.com > El ene 31, 2014 6:10 PM, "Bert Kuijer" escribi?: > > > Hello Peter, > > somehow I missed your original posting with the note from Mike Ware and > the > > link to his book. Could you please repost or mail it to me? > > Thank you, > > Bert from Holland > > > > 2014-01-27 Matti Koskinen : > > > > > On 27.1.2014 16:01, Peter Friedrichsen wrote: > > > > > >> Dear Alt -photo, > > >> > > >> Recently I was conversing via email with Dr. Mike Ware re, the > cyanotype > > >> process. He mention that he would be releasing an update to his book: > > >> Cyanotype: The History, Science and Art of Photographic Printing in > > >> Prussian Blue which is out of print but still viewable in parts > through > > >> Google Books. With permission, I have copied his note containing the > > >> included link to the now freely downloadable updated version. > > >> > > >> Peter Friedrichsen > > >> =========================== > > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From fernandocruzf at gmail.com Sat Feb 1 15:38:37 2014 From: fernandocruzf at gmail.com (fernando cruz florez) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 10:38:37 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Mike Ware's updated e-book on the cyanotype process available for download In-Reply-To: References: <52E6C31E.2000903@gmail.com> Message-ID: Bert, I believe it is legal, but I not 100% secure Un abrazo Fernando Cruz 57 3108686025 www.fotografiacolombiana.com El feb 1, 2014 8:16 AM, "Bert Kuijer" escribi?: > Fernando, > Thank you! I downloaded it. > Just to be safe: this is a legal free download, I guess, sanctioned by > Mike Warren? > I don't want to rip him off for all the good work he did. > Bert > > > 2014-02-01 fernando cruz florez : > >> >> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47727259/Cyanomicon.pdf >> >> Fernando Cruz >> 57 3108686025 >> www.fotografiacolombiana.com >> El ene 31, 2014 6:10 PM, "Bert Kuijer" escribi?: >> >> > Hello Peter, >> > somehow I missed your original posting with the note from Mike Ware and >> the >> > link to his book. Could you please repost or mail it to me? >> > Thank you, >> > Bert from Holland >> > >> > 2014-01-27 Matti Koskinen : >> > >> > > On 27.1.2014 16:01, Peter Friedrichsen wrote: >> > > >> > >> Dear Alt -photo, >> > >> >> > >> Recently I was conversing via email with Dr. Mike Ware re, the >> cyanotype >> > >> process. He mention that he would be releasing an update to his book: >> > >> Cyanotype: The History, Science and Art of Photographic Printing in >> > >> Prussian Blue which is out of print but still viewable in parts >> through >> > >> Google Books. With permission, I have copied his note containing the >> > >> included link to the now freely downloadable updated version. >> > >> >> > >> Peter Friedrichsen >> > >> =========================== >> > >> >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> > > From pfriedrichsen at sympatico.ca Sun Feb 2 00:14:41 2014 From: pfriedrichsen at sympatico.ca (Peter Friedrichsen) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 19:14:41 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Mike Ware's updated e-book on the cyanotype process available for download In-Reply-To: References: <52E6C31E.2000903@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is a download made available by Mike Ware. He is not selling the book, but offering it as a free public download. I would never have provided a link that was not sanctioned by Mike Ware. It is also available as a free download on Malin Fabri's web site. Peter Friedrichsen > On Feb 1, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Bert Kuijer wrote: > > Fernando, > Thank you! I downloaded it. > Just to be safe: this is a legal free download, I guess, sanctioned by Mike > Warren? > I don't want to rip him off for all the good work he did. > Bert > > > 2014-02-01 fernando cruz florez : > >> >> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47727259/Cyanomicon.pdf >> >> Fernando Cruz >> 57 3108686025 >> www.fotografiacolombiana.com >> El ene 31, 2014 6:10 PM, "Bert Kuijer" escribi?: >> >>> Hello Peter, >>> somehow I missed your original posting with the note from Mike Ware and >> the >>> link to his book. Could you please repost or mail it to me? >>> Thank you, >>> Bert from Holland >>> >>> 2014-01-27 Matti Koskinen : >>> >>>>> On 27.1.2014 16:01, Peter Friedrichsen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Alt -photo, >>>>> >>>>> Recently I was conversing via email with Dr. Mike Ware re, the >> cyanotype >>>>> process. He mention that he would be releasing an update to his book: >>>>> Cyanotype: The History, Science and Art of Photographic Printing in >>>>> Prussian Blue which is out of print but still viewable in parts >> through >>>>> Google Books. With permission, I have copied his note containing the >>>>> included link to the now freely downloadable updated version. >>>>> >>>>> Peter Friedrichsen >>>>> =========================== >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From donsbryant at gmail.com Sun Feb 2 16:10:56 2014 From: donsbryant at gmail.com (Don) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 11:10:56 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Cone Color inks and Carts In-Reply-To: References: <43877867-BBD3-40FC-A7C7-4345689D860B@gmail.com> <1634D3A1B1AC4DFE94D3EFADB8D27C32@Jeandesktop> <3D93EC23-35FA-493D-9E9B-278CA06E2F5C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2200ECBD75E04F658452A62CF750F756@FireBreather> Hello Folks, I've been considering switching to Cone Color inks and refillable cartridges for my Epson 3800 to reduce consumable costs for producing digital negatives. I'm curious to learn if anyone has used the Cone Color inks and if they can produce acceptable negative densities for printing alternative process prints. So can anyone report thumbs up or down for this product? Thanks, Don Bryant From ankide at gmail.com Sun Feb 2 18:20:55 2014 From: ankide at gmail.com (Ankide) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 19:20:55 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon transfer exhibition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello everyone: Here you have two photos from the exhibition: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nk2j0ps509jyu9k/_2022759%20copia.jpg https://www.dropbox.com/s/h7q0efcjd6hn1wv/_2022763%20copia.jpg I hope you like to you. Ankide. 2014-01-30 Ankide : > Hello Tom: > Do you live near Vitoria? > The exhibition is at the Centre for Adult Education Paulo Freire, Canton > College San Prudencio s / n, (opposite the Museum of Contemporary Art > Artium). It runs through Feb. 9. If you are coming to visit, do not hesitate > to warn me to know. > Does it still works photo alt list in Spanish? > Thank you all for your encouragement. > Ankide > > > 2014-01-30 Tomas Sobota : > > Hi Ankide, >> >> It's been a long time since I last heard from you, on the Spanish Alt >> List. >> Felicitations! Where in Vitoria is the exhibition? I'd like to drop by and >> see it. >> >> Tom >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Ankide wrote: >> >> > Hello everyone. >> > >> > I'm an owl, I took several years reading and translating your emails, >> but >> > finally it is the first time I write on this forum (my English is very >> > bad). >> > >> > I learned a lot, so I'm doing my first photo exhibition with the art of >> > carbon transfer in Vitoria-Gasteiz, Basque Country, Spain. >> > >> > I want to thank to Sandy King for the paper published in the >> > alternative photography >> > web which I learned a lot. >> > >> > I still have no website and do not know how to show you the pictures >> I've >> > done. But it will come. >> > >> > Greetings. Ankide, >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> > > From dlhbloomfield at gmail.com Sun Feb 2 22:32:41 2014 From: dlhbloomfield at gmail.com (Diana Bloomfield) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 17:32:41 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon transfer exhibition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8EE65703-A250-413B-864D-6F366EFB1674@gmail.com> Oh, they're really beautiful. I love those, Ankide. Congratulations on such exquisite work and on the exhibition. I'm just curious-- how large did you print these? Diana On Feb 2, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Ankide wrote: > Hello everyone: > > Here you have two photos from the exhibition: > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/nk2j0ps509jyu9k/_2022759%20copia.jpg > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/h7q0efcjd6hn1wv/_2022763%20copia.jpg > > I hope you like to you. Ankide. > > From ankide at gmail.com Sun Feb 2 23:26:17 2014 From: ankide at gmail.com (Ankide) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 00:26:17 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon transfer exhibition In-Reply-To: <8EE65703-A250-413B-864D-6F366EFB1674@gmail.com> References: <8EE65703-A250-413B-864D-6F366EFB1674@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Diana. They are very large: 50 x 60 cm. Regards. Ankide. Oh, they're really beautiful. I love those, Ankide. Congratulations on such exquisite work and on the exhibition. I'm just curious-- how large did you print these? Diana On Feb 2, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Ankide wrote: > Hello everyone: > > Here you have two photos from the exhibition: > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/nk2j0ps509jyu9k/_2022759%20copia.jpg > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/h7q0efcjd6hn1wv/_2022763%20copia.jpg > > I hope you like to you. Ankide. > > _______________________________________________ Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From dlhbloomfield at gmail.com Sun Feb 2 23:42:55 2014 From: dlhbloomfield at gmail.com (Diana Bloomfield) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 18:42:55 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon transfer exhibition In-Reply-To: References: <8EE65703-A250-413B-864D-6F366EFB1674@gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh wow-- I love the whole positive/negative look and the spider-like lines of the tree branches against all the dark. Really stunning. Wish I could see them in person. Again-- congratulations, and thanks for posting them. Diana On Feb 2, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Ankide wrote: > Thanks Diana. > They are very large: 50 x 60 cm. > Regards. Ankide. > Oh, they're really beautiful. I love those, Ankide. Congratulations on > such exquisite work and on the exhibition. > I'm just curious-- how large did you print these? > > Diana > On Feb 2, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Ankide wrote: > >> Hello everyone: >> >> Here you have two photos from the exhibition: >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/nk2j0ps509jyu9k/_2022759%20copia.jpg >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/h7q0efcjd6hn1wv/_2022763%20copia.jpg >> >> I hope you like to you. Ankide. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From sanking at clemson.edu Mon Feb 3 17:47:41 2014 From: sanking at clemson.edu (Sandy King) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 12:47:41 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon transfer exhibition In-Reply-To: References: <8EE65703-A250-413B-864D-6F366EFB1674@gmail.com> Message-ID: Your large carbon prints are beautiful, and I congratulate you for having the patience to work with the medium. It boggles the mind, when one would do this kind of work with inert pigments why would anyone want to make prints with metals, especially radioactive ones? Or you could add a bit of uranium to the pigment and call them carbon uraniums. That would get some attention. Sandy On Feb 2, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Ankide wrote: > Thanks Diana. > They are very large: 50 x 60 cm. > Regards. Ankide. > Oh, they're really beautiful. I love those, Ankide. Congratulations on > such exquisite work and on the exhibition. > I'm just curious-- how large did you print these? > > Diana > On Feb 2, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Ankide wrote: > >> Hello everyone: >> >> Here you have two photos from the exhibition: >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/nk2j0ps509jyu9k/_2022759%20copia.jpg >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/h7q0efcjd6hn1wv/_2022763%20copia.jpg >> >> I hope you like to you. Ankide. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From bobkiss at caribsurf.com Mon Feb 3 18:00:28 2014 From: bobkiss at caribsurf.com (bobkiss @caribsurf.com) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 14:00:28 -0400 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon transfer exhibition In-Reply-To: References: <8EE65703-A250-413B-864D-6F366EFB1674@gmail.com> Message-ID: DEAR SANDY, Do you make an effort to be insulting or does it just come naturally? Maybe people work with different media (including metals, even uranium) because each medium has a different feeling and produces a different effect. It boggles the mind that someone like yourself who is in so many ways brilliant would make such an obnoxious, uninformed statement. WITH GREATEST RESPECT, BOB KISS On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Sandy King wrote: > Your large carbon prints are beautiful, and I congratulate you for having > the patience to work with the medium. > > It boggles the mind, when one would do this kind of work with inert > pigments why would anyone want to make prints with metals, especially > radioactive ones? Or you could add a bit of uranium to the pigment and call > them carbon uraniums. That would get some attention. > > Sandy > > > On Feb 2, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Ankide wrote: > > > Thanks Diana. > > They are very large: 50 x 60 cm. > > Regards. Ankide. > > Oh, they're really beautiful. I love those, Ankide. Congratulations on > > such exquisite work and on the exhibition. > > I'm just curious-- how large did you print these? > > > > Diana > > On Feb 2, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Ankide wrote: > > > >> Hello everyone: > >> > >> Here you have two photos from the exhibition: > >> > >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/nk2j0ps509jyu9k/_2022759%20copia.jpg > >> > >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/h7q0efcjd6hn1wv/_2022763%20copia.jpg > >> > >> I hope you like to you. Ankide. > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From sanking at clemson.edu Mon Feb 3 20:09:37 2014 From: sanking at clemson.edu (Sandy King) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 15:09:37 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon transfer exhibition In-Reply-To: References: <8EE65703-A250-413B-864D-6F366EFB1674@gmail.com> Message-ID: Bob, I gather that my effort to inject some humor into the discussions collided with your personal sense of self-importance. The ignorance of your assumptions about my knowledge of different media base reminds me why many people find it necessary to limit observations to 2+2=4. Sandy On Feb 3, 2014, at 1:00 PM, bobkiss @caribsurf.com wrote: > DEAR SANDY, > Do you make an effort to be insulting or does it just come naturally? > Maybe people work with different media (including metals, even uranium) > because each medium has a different feeling and produces a different > effect. It boggles the mind that someone like yourself who is in so many > ways brilliant would make such an obnoxious, uninformed statement. > WITH GREATEST RESPECT, > BOB KISS > > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Sandy King wrote: > >> Your large carbon prints are beautiful, and I congratulate you for having >> the patience to work with the medium. >> >> It boggles the mind, when one would do this kind of work with inert >> pigments why would anyone want to make prints with metals, especially >> radioactive ones? Or you could add a bit of uranium to the pigment and call >> them carbon uraniums. That would get some attention. >> >> Sandy >> >> >> On Feb 2, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Ankide wrote: >> >>> Thanks Diana. >>> They are very large: 50 x 60 cm. >>> Regards. Ankide. >>> Oh, they're really beautiful. I love those, Ankide. Congratulations on >>> such exquisite work and on the exhibition. >>> I'm just curious-- how large did you print these? >>> >>> Diana >>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Ankide wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everyone: >>>> >>>> Here you have two photos from the exhibition: >>>> >>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/nk2j0ps509jyu9k/_2022759%20copia.jpg >>>> >>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/h7q0efcjd6hn1wv/_2022763%20copia.jpg >>>> >>>> I hope you like to you. Ankide. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From bobkiss at caribsurf.com Mon Feb 3 20:54:08 2014 From: bobkiss at caribsurf.com (bobkiss @caribsurf.com) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 16:54:08 -0400 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon transfer exhibition In-Reply-To: References: <8EE65703-A250-413B-864D-6F366EFB1674@gmail.com> Message-ID: DEAR SANDY, Thanks so much for your kind, well thought out, and informative reply. Sadly you are unaware of how many people saw through your veiled reference to uranium printing as being, on your part, sour grapes and an indication that, regardless to your knowledge (which I acknowledged in my e-mail), you are amazingly insecure when anyone else does anything that you haven't. You really are not aware of how much you show your own frailties when you make such a picayune statement. Perhaps the mirror might help you assess who is the one with the disproportional sense of self importance. I am well aware that I was making my first foray into researching and presenting information on an esoteric late 19th century process and am, therefore, a neophyte in this field. But, if Eric Neilsen, Christopher James, Richard Sullivan, Bob Schramm or Tim Rudman had been anything other than supportive or interested in my efforts with Uranotypes, I might have worried about what you said. You know, Sandy, I finally realize what the problem is beyond you being foolish enough to reveal your troubled self to the world with petty postings. You mistakenly believe I give a hoot what you have to say. Please, do have the last work with another "kind, well thought out, and informative reply" and then let's agree not to have anything more to say to each other. MOST SINCERELY, BOB KISS On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Sandy King wrote: > Bob, > > I gather that my effort to inject some humor into the discussions collided > with your personal sense of self-importance. > > The ignorance of your assumptions about my knowledge of different media > base reminds me why many people find it necessary to limit observations to > 2+2=4. > > Sandy > > > On Feb 3, 2014, at 1:00 PM, bobkiss @caribsurf.com wrote: > > > DEAR SANDY, > > Do you make an effort to be insulting or does it just come naturally? > > Maybe people work with different media (including metals, even uranium) > > because each medium has a different feeling and produces a different > > effect. It boggles the mind that someone like yourself who is in so many > > ways brilliant would make such an obnoxious, uninformed statement. > > WITH GREATEST RESPECT, > > BOB KISS > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Sandy King wrote: > > > >> Your large carbon prints are beautiful, and I congratulate you for > having > >> the patience to work with the medium. > >> > >> It boggles the mind, when one would do this kind of work with inert > >> pigments why would anyone want to make prints with metals, especially > >> radioactive ones? Or you could add a bit of uranium to the pigment and > call > >> them carbon uraniums. That would get some attention. > >> > >> Sandy > >> > >> > >> On Feb 2, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Ankide wrote: > >> > >>> Thanks Diana. > >>> They are very large: 50 x 60 cm. > >>> Regards. Ankide. > >>> Oh, they're really beautiful. I love those, Ankide. Congratulations > on > >>> such exquisite work and on the exhibition. > >>> I'm just curious-- how large did you print these? > >>> > >>> Diana > >>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Ankide wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello everyone: > >>>> > >>>> Here you have two photos from the exhibition: > >>>> > >>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/nk2j0ps509jyu9k/_2022759%20copia.jpg > >>>> > >>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/h7q0efcjd6hn1wv/_2022763%20copia.jpg > >>>> > >>>> I hope you like to you. Ankide. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From ankide at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 21:09:46 2014 From: ankide at gmail.com (Ankide) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 22:09:46 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon transfer exhibition In-Reply-To: References: <8EE65703-A250-413B-864D-6F366EFB1674@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Sandy : Thanks for your feedback. I bought your book:'The book of Carbon and Carbro' in 2000. I have had a lot of failures and few successes, but in the end I managed to begin to master the art of carbon and it has wonderful possibilities. I also want to congratulate you on his essay in Spanish: *'El impresionismo fotogr?fico en Espa?a*'. A true definition and vindication of pictorialism. I do not understand the comment about the pigments with uranium. Regards. Ankide. 2014-02-03 Sandy King : > Your large carbon prints are beautiful, and I congratulate you for having > the patience to work with the medium. > > It boggles the mind, when one would do this kind of work with inert > pigments why would anyone want to make prints with metals, especially > radioactive ones? Or you could add a bit of uranium to the pigment and call > them carbon uraniums. That would get some attention. > > Sandy > > > On Feb 2, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Ankide wrote: > > > Thanks Diana. > > They are very large: 50 x 60 cm. > > Regards. Ankide. > > Oh, they're really beautiful. I love those, Ankide. Congratulations on > > such exquisite work and on the exhibition. > > I'm just curious-- how large did you print these? > > > > Diana > > On Feb 2, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Ankide wrote: > > > >> Hello everyone: > >> > >> Here you have two photos from the exhibition: > >> > >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/nk2j0ps509jyu9k/_2022759%20copia.jpg > >> > >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/h7q0efcjd6hn1wv/_2022763%20copia.jpg > >> > >> I hope you like to you. Ankide. > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From carol at artintersection.com Mon Feb 3 21:14:58 2014 From: carol at artintersection.com (carol) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 14:14:58 -0700 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon transfer exhibition In-Reply-To: References: <8EE65703-A250-413B-864D-6F366EFB1674@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52F006D2.1070600@artintersection.com> Perhaps this communication would be better served between the two of you and not on the list serve for all. Respectfully, Carol Panaro-Smith On 2/3/14 1:54 PM, bobkiss @caribsurf.com wrote: > DEAR SANDY, > Thanks so much for your kind, well thought out, and informative > reply. Sadly you are unaware of how many people saw through your veiled > reference to uranium printing as being, on your part, sour grapes and an > indication that, regardless to your knowledge (which I acknowledged in my > e-mail), you are amazingly insecure when anyone else does anything that you > haven't. You really are not aware of how much you show your own frailties > when you make such a picayune statement. Perhaps the mirror might help you > assess who is the one with the disproportional sense of self importance. > I am well aware that I was making my first foray into researching and > presenting information on an esoteric late 19th century process and am, > therefore, a neophyte in this field. But, if Eric Neilsen, Christopher > James, Richard Sullivan, Bob Schramm or Tim Rudman had been anything other > than supportive or interested in my efforts with Uranotypes, I might have > worried about what you said. > You know, Sandy, I finally realize what the problem is beyond you > being foolish enough to reveal your troubled self to the world with petty > postings. You mistakenly believe I give a hoot what you have to say. > Please, do have the last work with another "kind, well thought out, > and informative reply" and then let's agree not to have anything more to > say to each other. > MOST SINCERELY, > BOB KISS > > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Sandy King wrote: > >> Bob, >> >> I gather that my effort to inject some humor into the discussions collided >> with your personal sense of self-importance. >> >> The ignorance of your assumptions about my knowledge of different media >> base reminds me why many people find it necessary to limit observations to >> 2+2=4. >> >> Sandy >> >> >> On Feb 3, 2014, at 1:00 PM, bobkiss @caribsurf.com wrote: >> >>> DEAR SANDY, >>> Do you make an effort to be insulting or does it just come naturally? >>> Maybe people work with different media (including metals, even uranium) >>> because each medium has a different feeling and produces a different >>> effect. It boggles the mind that someone like yourself who is in so many >>> ways brilliant would make such an obnoxious, uninformed statement. >>> WITH GREATEST RESPECT, >>> BOB KISS >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Sandy King wrote: >>> >>>> Your large carbon prints are beautiful, and I congratulate you for >> having >>>> the patience to work with the medium. >>>> >>>> It boggles the mind, when one would do this kind of work with inert >>>> pigments why would anyone want to make prints with metals, especially >>>> radioactive ones? Or you could add a bit of uranium to the pigment and >> call >>>> them carbon uraniums. That would get some attention. >>>> >>>> Sandy >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Ankide wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks Diana. >>>>> They are very large: 50 x 60 cm. >>>>> Regards. Ankide. >>>>> Oh, they're really beautiful. I love those, Ankide. Congratulations >> on >>>>> such exquisite work and on the exhibition. >>>>> I'm just curious-- how large did you print these? >>>>> >>>>> Diana >>>>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Ankide wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello everyone: >>>>>> >>>>>> Here you have two photos from the exhibition: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/nk2j0ps509jyu9k/_2022759%20copia.jpg >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/h7q0efcjd6hn1wv/_2022763%20copia.jpg >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope you like to you. Ankide. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > -- Carol Panaro-Smith Program Director Art Intersection www.artintersection.com From sanking at clemson.edu Mon Feb 3 22:16:42 2014 From: sanking at clemson.edu (Sandy King) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 17:16:42 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon transfer exhibition In-Reply-To: References: <8EE65703-A250-413B-864D-6F366EFB1674@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ankide, Thank you for your comments about my research on pictorialism. I had a lot of fun doing the research, especially the opportunity to see so many vintage prints by different processes from the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Sorry you did not understand my comment about carbon uranium, but looks like you will have to get in line as you were not the only one who did not understand. The comment came to mind because some carbon printers I know are using special metallic pigments to make their tissue. As you might guess, the metallic particles give a shiny reflective color to the final image. Most people doing this are using gold metallic pigments. Uranium came to mind because I recently read a strange post on the B&S forum by someone called "Imagine Mei" that pertained to uranium printing, and that writing came to mind as the most extravagant metal to add to make a carbon print. Again, your work is lovely, hope lots of folks in Spain get to see it. I will post the link on the Yahoo carbon forum if you don't mind. un saludo, Sandy On Feb 3, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Ankide wrote: > Hello Sandy : > > Thanks for your feedback. > > I bought your book:'The book of Carbon and Carbro' in 2000. I have had a > lot of failures and few successes, but in the end I managed to begin to > master the art of carbon and it has wonderful possibilities. > > I also want to congratulate you on his essay in Spanish: *'El impresionismo > fotogr?fico en Espa?a*'. A true definition and vindication of pictorialism. > > I do not understand the comment about the pigments with uranium. > > Regards. Ankide. > > > 2014-02-03 Sandy King : > >> Your large carbon prints are beautiful, and I congratulate you for having >> the patience to work with the medium. >> >> It boggles the mind, when one would do this kind of work with inert >> pigments why would anyone want to make prints with metals, especially >> radioactive ones? Or you could add a bit of uranium to the pigment and call >> them carbon uraniums. That would get some attention. >> >> Sandy >> >> >> On Feb 2, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Ankide wrote: >> >>> Thanks Diana. >>> They are very large: 50 x 60 cm. >>> Regards. Ankide. >>> Oh, they're really beautiful. I love those, Ankide. Congratulations on >>> such exquisite work and on the exhibition. >>> I'm just curious-- how large did you print these? >>> >>> Diana >>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Ankide wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everyone: >>>> >>>> Here you have two photos from the exhibition: >>>> >>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/nk2j0ps509jyu9k/_2022759%20copia.jpg >>>> >>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/h7q0efcjd6hn1wv/_2022763%20copia.jpg >>>> >>>> I hope you like to you. Ankide. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From sanking at clemson.edu Mon Feb 3 22:26:01 2014 From: sanking at clemson.edu (Sandy King) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 17:26:01 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon transfer exhibition In-Reply-To: References: <8EE65703-A250-413B-864D-6F366EFB1674@gmail.com> Message-ID: Here is the link to the message by "Imagine Mei." http://bostick-sullivan.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/1475-so-quiet/ From sanking at clemson.edu Mon Feb 3 22:44:19 2014 From: sanking at clemson.edu (Sandy King) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 17:44:19 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Imagine Mei In-Reply-To: References: <8EE65703-A250-413B-864D-6F366EFB1674@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1678CB62-4D76-4E35-B32B-D1FD6DBB0FB0@clemson.edu> Sorry, should have made Imagine Mei the subject of the last message since it has nothing to do with Ankide's carbon exhibition. > > http://bostick-sullivan.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/1475-so-quiet/ > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From C.Breukel at lumc.nl Tue Feb 4 09:29:11 2014 From: C.Breukel at lumc.nl (C.Breukel at lumc.nl) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 09:29:11 +0000 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon transfer exhibition In-Reply-To: References: <8EE65703-A250-413B-864D-6F366EFB1674@gmail.com> Message-ID: <19BFDE1ACA5CA545BA009EE8205ED4A72434C12C@MAIL-MB2.lumcnet.prod.intern> Wow, blast from the past..Jewelia is still there (in)comprehensive as ever..;-).. Best, Cor -----Original Message----- From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of Sandy King Sent: maandag 3 februari 2014 23:26 To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon transfer exhibition Here is the link to the message by "Imagine Mei." http://bostick-sullivan.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/1475-so-quiet/ _______________________________________________ Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From ankide at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 11:49:00 2014 From: ankide at gmail.com (Ankide) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 12:49:00 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Imagine Mei In-Reply-To: <1678CB62-4D76-4E35-B32B-D1FD6DBB0FB0@clemson.edu> References: <8EE65703-A250-413B-864D-6F366EFB1674@gmail.com> <1678CB62-4D76-4E35-B32B-D1FD6DBB0FB0@clemson.edu> Message-ID: No problems. Ankide 2014-02-03 Sandy King : > > Sorry, should have made Imagine Mei the subject of the last message since > it has nothing to do with Ankide's carbon exhibition. > > > > > > http://bostick-sullivan.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/1475-so-quiet/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >