[Alt-photo] Re: GUM: problematic yellow?

Thu Feb 6 09:58:23 UTC 2014

Remko,

I am not sure why. All I can say is that in the little time I have been messing around with gum (that's what I have been doing so far - printing is too big of a word right now), I have seen so much variability that it's scary...and fun.

My tubes are 20cm from the glass plane so that could be one reason. Also from the specs, I seem to recollect that my tubes emit only one very specific peak of UV at one wavelength; that could be another reason. Temperature and humidity also play a role, and maybe also the pigment type/concentration.

I think the difficulty of gum is that is very hard to transfer one person experience to another without taking into consideration a lot of factors.

But all I want now, is get past Mr. Stouffer, print some wedges to calibrate my negative and start printing....

BTW, is there anyone using Quadtone RIP to print negatives with K3 inks? If yes would you mind sharing your profile to get a starting point to print a negative with around 1.1 or 1.2 Dmax?

Thanks,
Luciano

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Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: GUM: problematic yellow?

thanks Luciano. we almost have a comparable set up. the distance uv unit and UV bulbs here is about 15 cm and gives exposure times of 1 minute .
therefore I wonder about the long exposure times you think you might need.
remko

Luciano Teghillo schreef op 6-2-2014 9:51:
> Remko,
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> By exposure unit you mean the UV printer? If yes, I use a self-built unit with a bank of UV tubes (Philips Actinic 8W with electronic ballast). For printer (to print my negatives) I will use an Epson R2880.
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> Luciano
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> -----Original Message-----
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> followed the thread with interest and jump in with my results I found with almost the same procedure.
> first I noticed that the gum/pigment ratio is some where different as I use.
> some details to compare:
> my a stock solution consist of  15 ml (Schmiencke) pigment on 50 ml gum.
> (Luciano uses about the same (15+45))
> I use then 3ml gum + 1ml stock solution + 4ml Potassium Dichromate(37%
> !!!) ) . ( against 1ml+1ml stocksolution + 2 ml Potassium dichromate 12%!!!) although the strength of the dichromate the exposure times looks very long to me and from the  M and C images I would go for exposure times around 2 min as max. this is giving Dmax already.
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> It would be interesting to know what exposure unit you need and for later what printer you are going to use.
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> concerning the visibility of the yellow print  I scan the print and measure  then in Photoshop the density ore with an old density meter.
> This are not absolute values but the relative  values give you enough info to select the right exposure time.
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> remko
> Loris Medici schreef op 5-2-2014 23:14:
>> Thanks John, that's what I do because I'm incredibly incompetent in 
>> judging the yellow test prints. I just can't make sense of those 
>> yellow step tablet prints with naked eyes. (Blue rich light helps,
>> though...)
>>
>> Did the trick on Luciano's print and I think 3:30 or even 05:00 will 
>> give a nice log 1.2 - 1.3 range, but that depends on his target DR. I 
>> don't think something over 05:00 will do good.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Loris.
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>> 2014-02-05 John Brewer <johnbrewerphotography at gmail.com>:
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>>> That's a useful tip Loris!
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>>> J
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>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On 5 Feb 2014, at 09:12 pm, Loris Medici <mail at loris.medici.name> wrote:
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>>>> Luciano try to evaluate the yellow test prints by splitting RGB 
>>>> channels and looking to the B channel. Since it's a very light 
>>>> color it's hard to judge it by eye...
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Loris.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-02-05 Luciano Teghillo <luciano at lucianoteghillo.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>> So far no problem with blue
>>>>> (http://www.lucianoteghillo.com/images/scan-blue.jpg) and red
>>>>> (http://www.lucianoteghillo.com/images/scan-magenta.jpg) but 
>>>>> yellow
>>> it's
>>>>> not
>>>>> printing correctly, at least that's my impression.
>>>>>
>>>>> After the first test
>>>>> (http://www.lucianoteghillo.com/images/scan-yellow1.jpg) with the 
>>>>> usual exposure times used for blue and magenta (from 1 minute to 
>>>>> 3.30 minutes
>>> in
>>>>> 30 seconds intervals), it looked like I was not reaching maximum "black"
>>>>> but
>>>>> also the steps didn't look as defined as with the other colors. So 
>>>>> I decided to print one more test with exposures of 16, 32 and 48 
>>>>> minutes (http://www.lucianoteghillo.com/images/scan-yellow2.jpg). 
>>>>> I think this second test is event worst than the first.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now everything is the same: same gum, same potassium dichromate, 
>>>>> same process. I mix a stock solution with 15ml tube and 45ml of 
>>>>> gum, which I then further dilute as needed. In the case of yellow, 
>>>>> I mix 1ml of stock solution with 1ml of gum and 2ml of 12% 
>>>>> potassium dichromate.
>>>>> ...
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