From gemeentehuis at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 08:56:23 2014 From: gemeentehuis at gmail.com (Bert Kuijer) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 09:56:23 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Sort-of-Alt fun project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Henry, Nice image it is! Okay, maybe not really analogue printing and a bit marginal as Alt, but you've got a nice result. Something like best of both worlds, isn't it? I would indeed be pleasantly surprised if I received such a print as a memory of my holidays in Venice. And it looks like fun to do too! I've never done "photopolymer plate oil printing" but it seems like a nice process. Something else for my wish list ;-) Thank you for sharing and best wishes to you too. Bert from Holland 2013/12/31 Henry Rattle > Hi Bert, > > A copy is at > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/75173521/Rialto.jpg > > The plate tone is too heavy on this one - the original looks better than > the > scan! I sent a cleaner one to our friends. > > Best wishes > > Henry > > > On 31/12/2013 21:39, "Bert Kuijer" wrote: > > > Hello Henri, > > Could you show us an example? > > Best wishes to you too! > > Bert from Holland > > > > Op dinsdag 31 december 2013 schreef Henry Rattle ( > henry.rattle at ntlworld.com > > ): > > > >> Forgive me for an only vaguely-Alt posting, but I had a lot of fun with > >> this > >> over the holiday: > >> > >> Take a digital photo (e.g. an iPhone photo of the Rialto Bridge in > Venice) > >> > >> Process the photo with an iPad app called "Etchings" which very > >> convincingly > >> renders your image as an engraving > >> > >> Make a positive transparency at the required size > >> > >> Expose a photopolymer plate under the transparency (1 minute, and works > >> fine > >> with a diffused UV source if you are careful with contact). Wash out > plate. > >> > >> Ink up, wipe plate and print onto a nice printmaking paper > >> > >> Voila - a 21st-century engraving to give as a present to the folks we > were > >> on holiday with in Venice. > >> > >> As I say, a bit marginal as Alt - but at least you end up with a real > >> ink-on-paper image, and a lot of fun! > >> > >> Happy New Year! > >> > >> Henry > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From mjkoskin at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 12:37:09 2014 From: mjkoskin at gmail.com (Matti Koskinen) Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2014 14:37:09 +0200 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Sort-of-Alt fun project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52C40BF5.4020006@gmail.com> On 12/31/2013 09:43 PM, Henry Rattle wrote: > Forgive me for an only vaguely-Alt posting, but I had a lot of fun with this > over the holiday: > > Take a digital photo (e.g. an iPhone photo of the Rialto Bridge in Venice) > > Process the photo with an iPad app called "Etchings" which very convincingly > renders your image as an engraving > > Make a positive transparency at the required size > > Expose a photopolymer plate under the transparency (1 minute, and works fine > with a diffused UV source if you are careful with contact). Wash out plate. > > Ink up, wipe plate and print onto a nice printmaking paper > > Voila - a 21st-century engraving to give as a present to the folks we were > on holiday with in Venice. > > As I say, a bit marginal as Alt - but at least you end up with a real > ink-on-paper image, and a lot of fun! > > Happy New Year! > > Henry > Thanks Henry, I've used PS-action (even paid 4$I) to do same kind of things. Now I've tried to learn Python and Inkscape to do the engravings on a hacked two scanners and laser best regards -m From pfriedrichsen at sympatico.ca Wed Jan 1 14:23:08 2014 From: pfriedrichsen at sympatico.ca (Peter Friedrichsen) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 09:23:08 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Stochastic screening in Gum In-Reply-To: References: <32071958.1383941092557.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <59E8348B-D737-44B2-84F4-13CE985A756D@uga.edu> <0DF295CF-C7E5-49FA-BEDF-2E8EBEA5C1EA@gmail.com> <52A39CFE.3090401@rogers.com> <0EAC66D2-BDA8-4623-8D3B-E132766E3C9C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Edward, Thanks for clearing that up. I don't intend to do any photogravure work in the near term, but will give it a go with gum when I can find a day or two to spare. Peter Friedrichsen > On Dec 30, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Edward Draper wrote: > > Dear Peter, > > I've tried double and single exposure in both > > Gum works with the scholastic 'noise' in the negative - so single exposure > > But photogravure works best with a separate stochastic exposure - so double exposure > > Hope this helps, > > > Edward > > > > Working on the go on a smart-phone keyboard > > Forgive minor errors, please > > >> On 30 Dec 2013, at 16:30, Peter Friedrichsen wrote: >> >> Hi Edward, >> >> If I am reading you correctly, you apply a double exposure in photogravure but not gum? Are you using any screening with gum? Perhaps you could clarify this for me? >> >> Regards, >> >> Peter Friedrichsen >> >> >> >>> On Dec 30, 2013, at 6:01 AM, Edward Draper wrote: >>> >>> Dear Peter, >>> >>> Can I add my tuppence worth? >>> >>> I've always added some form of 'noise' to my negatives - I use Photoshop and add it in a variety of ways >>> >>> An example can be seen on my Etsy shop >>> >>> With a lot of success - at least I am extremely happy with the results (as are my customers) >>> >>> https://www.etsy.com/listing/92397855/inner-smile-a-collectable-handmade >>> >>> I have recently been messing with photogravure - and the same 'dither' does not work nearly as well >>> >>> I have found a stochastic 'aquatint' screen exposed immediately before a second exposure with the negative works well >>> >>> Though I don't like the 'industrial' feel I get when I do this with gum. - it looks fake and as if it was a commercially-produced poster >>> >>> Hope this is of interest, >>> >>> >>> Edward >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Working on the go on a smart-phone keyboard >>> >>> Forgive minor errors, please >>> >>> >>>> On 9 Dec 2013, at 00:35, Peter Friedrichsen wrote: >>>> >>>> I am intrigued by all the experiments that many here have performed. It seems that attempting to apply a dither to the negative may give mixed results perhaps because of competition with the printers own diffusion algorithms. A laser printer only using its own internal diffusion pattern seems may be the best option but mine laserjet is an amplitude modulated algorithm and I don't like the diagonal pattern. >>>> >>>> I don't think using native inkjet's diffusion pattern on the more advanced printers would cut it because most of these are adding lighter greys for smoother tones. I have concerns that these lighter dots once inverted are not going to harden the gum sufficiently in a top down exposure process as gum printing is. >>>> >>>> My bet would be on using a laser printer having an FM screening pattern as was mentioned, but maximum size is limited in this technology. If I find one to test, Ill pass on the results. The problem is I have about 50 years worth of thinks I would like to try; ain't going to happen! >>>> >>>> Thanks for all of the excellent advice! >>>> >>>> Peter Friedrichsen >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From carol at artintersection.com Thu Jan 2 21:26:45 2014 From: carol at artintersection.com (carol) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 14:26:45 -0700 Subject: [Alt-photo] Call for analog based photography-Art Intersection, Gilbert, Arizona In-Reply-To: <63CE652E-0FF6-4973-B22C-E7022B99881B@timothymccoyphoto.com> References: <63CE652E-0FF6-4973-B22C-E7022B99881B@timothymccoyphoto.com> Message-ID: <52C5D995.3010307@artintersection.com> Call for Work By February 3 for Light Sensitive 2014 *Art Intersection Gilbert, Arizona* Exhibition Dates March 8 -- April 19, 2014 Juror: Tom Persinger of F/295 Art Intersection presents Light Sensitive, an annual juried exhibition of images created using traditional photographic print making processes. Past work has included c-prints, platinum, cyanotype, gelatin silver, gum bichromate, wet plate collodion tintypes, and other printing processes. While the final print must be made using analog techniques it is acceptable to the use computer generated digital negatives/positives in the creation of the print. Up to three artists will be selected from the exhibition as best in show for an additional exhibition sometime in 2014 -- 2015. For details: http://artintersection.com/event/submit-work-by-february-3-for-light-sensitive-2014/ contact info at artintersection.com for more information Carol Panaro-Smith Program Director Art Intersection www.artintersection.com _______________________________________________ Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org -- From vedos at samk.fi Fri Jan 3 11:54:36 2014 From: vedos at samk.fi (Vedos Projekti) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 13:54:36 +0200 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Sort-of-Alt fun project In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Very nice! Years ago we made copper and polymer printing plates using Andromeda Screens plugin for Photoshop. I don't know if there is such thing any more, compatible with new versions of PS... http://www.andromeda.com/info/lc_screens.html -Jalo -- If you only look at what is, you might never attain what could be -- V E D O S Alternative Photographic Processes Satakunta University of Applied Sciences vedos at samk.fi http://vedos.samk.fi http://www.samk.fi ________________________________________ From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org [alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of Henry Rattle [henry.rattle at ntlworld.com] Sent: 01 January 2014 00:20 To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Sort-of-Alt fun project Hi Bert, A copy is at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/75173521/Rialto.jpg The plate tone is too heavy on this one - the original looks better than the scan! I sent a cleaner one to our friends. Best wishes Henry On 31/12/2013 21:39, "Bert Kuijer" wrote: > Hello Henri, > Could you show us an example? > Best wishes to you too! > Bert from Holland > > Op dinsdag 31 december 2013 schreef Henry Rattle (henry.rattle at ntlworld.com > ): > >> Forgive me for an only vaguely-Alt posting, but I had a lot of fun with >> this >> over the holiday: >> >> Take a digital photo (e.g. an iPhone photo of the Rialto Bridge in Venice) >> >> Process the photo with an iPad app called "Etchings" which very >> convincingly >> renders your image as an engraving >> >> Make a positive transparency at the required size >> >> Expose a photopolymer plate under the transparency (1 minute, and works >> fine >> with a diffused UV source if you are careful with contact). Wash out plate. >> >> Ink up, wipe plate and print onto a nice printmaking paper >> >> Voila - a 21st-century engraving to give as a present to the folks we were >> on holiday with in Venice. >> >> As I say, a bit marginal as Alt - but at least you end up with a real >> ink-on-paper image, and a lot of fun! >> >> Happy New Year! >> >> Henry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org _______________________________________________ Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From e.camerling at tiscali.nl Fri Jan 3 14:23:47 2014 From: e.camerling at tiscali.nl (Erich Camerling) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 15:23:47 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] transparent film density at 365 nm Message-ID: <52C6C7F3.4000102@tiscali.nl> Dear members, At 4-nov-2013 I put data about optical densities on this site. Recently I noticed that these data were not correct because I made a mistake during the density measurement (the UV densitometer worked correct ! ) For that reason I will give you the correct data: OD Colorgate CG Sceenfilm (from 2013) 0,26 (www.colorgate.com) Permajet Digital transfer film 165 ? 0,24 ( www.permajet.com) Agfa Copyjet 0,22 Tecco screenfilm basic plus transparant 135 ? 0,17 (www.graphic-reseau.com/photo) Revolution premium screenfilm 0,27 (www.revolutiontransfers.co.uk) Revolution HD screenfilm 0,60 ( " " " ) All these samples I received from European companies . I asked other users to send me samples from Pictorico OHP , premium OHP and OHP ultra. Nobody gave a reaction (not interested, Pictorico users ??? ) except one helpful member. (Thank you very much Chris) Erich Camerling From bobkiss at caribsurf.com Fri Jan 3 14:27:53 2014 From: bobkiss at caribsurf.com (BOB KISS) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 10:27:53 -0400 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: transparent film density at 365 nm In-Reply-To: <52C6C7F3.4000102@tiscali.nl> References: <52C6C7F3.4000102@tiscali.nl> Message-ID: DEAR ERICH, Happy New Year to you! Did you have the opportunity to read the density of INKPRESS transparency film? CHEERS! BOB _____ From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of Erich Camerling Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 10:24 AM To: alt-photo process-list Subject: [Alt-photo] transparent film density at 365 nm Dear members, At 4-nov-2013 I put data about optical densities on this site. Recently I noticed that these data were not correct because I made a mistake during the density measurement (the UV densitometer worked correct ! ) For that reason I will give you the correct data: OD Colorgate CG Sceenfilm (from 2013) 0,26 (www.colorgate.com) Permajet Digital transfer film 165 ? 0,24 ( www.permajet.com) Agfa Copyjet 0,22 Tecco screenfilm basic plus transparant 135 ? 0,17 (www.graphic-reseau.com/photo) Revolution premium screenfilm 0,27 (www.revolutiontransfers.co.uk) Revolution HD screenfilm 0,60 ( " " " ) All these samples I received from European companies . I asked other users to send me samples from Pictorico OHP , premium OHP and OHP ultra. Nobody gave a reaction (not interested, Pictorico users ??? ) except one helpful member. (Thank you very much Chris) Erich Camerling _______________________________________________ Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9246 (20140103) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9246 (20140103) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From christnze at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 16:00:25 2014 From: christnze at gmail.com (Christian Nze) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:00:25 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: transparent film density at 365 nm In-Reply-To: <52C6C7F3.4000102@tiscali.nl> References: <52C6C7F3.4000102@tiscali.nl> Message-ID: Hi all I 've sent tecco and revolution transfer film. And even if the tecco has the lower uv density , it doesn't absorb ink as I would . I get a max of 2.0 density on this film but get 4.0 density on the 2 other film ( revolution transfer), and they are dry directly out of the printer. 2014/1/3 Erich Camerling > Dear members, > > At 4-nov-2013 I put data about optical densities on this site. > Recently I noticed that these data were not correct because I made > a mistake during the density measurement (the UV densitometer > worked correct ! ) > For that reason I will give you the correct data: > OD > Colorgate CG Sceenfilm (from 2013) 0,26 (www.colorgate.com) > Permajet Digital transfer film 165 ? 0,24 ( www.permajet.com) > Agfa Copyjet 0,22 > Tecco screenfilm basic plus transparant 135 ? 0,17 ( > www.graphic-reseau.com/photo) > > Revolution premium screenfilm 0,27 (www.revolutiontransfers.co.uk) > > Revolution HD screenfilm 0,60 ( " " " > ) > All these samples I received from European companies . > I asked other users to send me samples from Pictorico OHP , premium OHP > and OHP ultra. > Nobody gave a reaction (not interested, Pictorico users ??? ) except one > helpful member. > (Thank you very much Chris) > > Erich Camerling > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From christinazanderson at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 17:05:59 2014 From: christinazanderson at gmail.com (Christina Z. Anderson) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 09:05:59 -0800 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Sort-of-Alt fun project In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <99D31410-AA67-42A6-BB3D-25CDBD2EE223@gmail.com> Henry, How fun! And from the IPhone no less! That is a really great idea actually. There is a new plugin that a former workshop student of mine, Ren? Roberts, told me about. http://www.andromeda.com/main/stippleart.php She used the old andromeda screens to do photo etching on tiles (I probably screwed what actually she does up). Her tiles are quite beautiful. She may be on this list, too. It's made by Andromeda and has all sorts of grain effects. I bought it just to see if I could use it to mimic autochromes. Although I will say that the very minute grain in a casein print is quite beautiful in and of itself, even when scrubbed hard. I'll be working with the screen over the next year, especially if my sabbatical gets approved in 2014-15. :) Chris From henry.rattle at ntlworld.com Fri Jan 3 20:51:25 2014 From: henry.rattle at ntlworld.com (Henry Rattle) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 20:51:25 +0000 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Sort-of-Alt fun project In-Reply-To: <99D31410-AA67-42A6-BB3D-25CDBD2EE223@gmail.com> References: <99D31410-AA67-42A6-BB3D-25CDBD2EE223@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris - the Andromeda plugin looks great, but the difference is that the Etchings app is only $1.99 or so. As Dan Burkholder says, for that price you don't have to marry the app, you can just play with it! Happy New Year Henry Sent from my iPhone > On 3 Jan 2014, at 17:05, "Christina Z. Anderson" wrote: > > Henry, > > How fun! And from the IPhone no less! That is a really great idea actually. > > There is a new plugin that a former workshop student of mine, Ren? Roberts, told me about. > > http://www.andromeda.com/main/stippleart.php > > She used the old andromeda screens to do photo etching on tiles (I probably screwed what actually she does up). Her tiles are quite beautiful. She may be on this list, too. > > It's made by Andromeda and has all sorts of grain effects. I bought it just to see if I could use it to mimic autochromes. Although I will say that the very minute grain in a casein print is quite beautiful in and of itself, even when scrubbed hard. > > I'll be working with the screen over the next year, especially if my sabbatical gets approved in 2014-15. :) > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From mjkoskin at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 02:03:37 2014 From: mjkoskin at gmail.com (Matti Koskinen) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 04:03:37 +0200 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Sort-of-Alt fun project In-Reply-To: <99D31410-AA67-42A6-BB3D-25CDBD2EE223@gmail.com> References: , <99D31410-AA67-42A6-BB3D-25CDBD2EE223@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52C76BF9.3080405@gmail.com> On 3.1.2014 19:05, Christina Z. Anderson wrote: > Henry, > > How fun! And from the IPhone no less! That is a really great idea actually. > > There is a new plugin that a former workshop student of mine, Ren? Roberts, told me about. > > http://www.andromeda.com/main/stippleart.php > > She used the old andromeda screens to do photo etching on tiles (I probably screwed what actually she does up). Her tiles are quite beautiful. She may be on this list, too. > > It's made by Andromeda and has all sorts of grain effects. I bought it just to see if I could use it to mimic autochromes. Although I will say that the very minute grain in a casein print is quite beautiful in and of itself, even when scrubbed hard. > > I'll be working with the screen over the next year, especially if my sabbatical gets approved in 2014-15. :) > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org This the link to the PS-action that does engraving quite well, and doesn't cost legs and arms. http://graphicriver.net/item/engrave-photoshop-actions-kit/1438626 and here's our dog watching TV http://www.flickr.com/photos/91329867 at N06/ -m From henry.rattle at ntlworld.com Sat Jan 4 12:19:01 2014 From: henry.rattle at ntlworld.com (Henry Rattle) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:19:01 +0000 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Sort-of-Alt fun project In-Reply-To: <52C76BF9.3080405@gmail.com> References: <99D31410-AA67-42A6-BB3D-25CDBD2EE223@gmail.com> <52C76BF9.3080405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <522E9F2A-AA8E-4421-B7A1-DB4BC982286B@ntlworld.com> Thank you for the information about DGB Engraver, Matti - I hadn't heard of it. I wonder if it would work with my Photoshop CS? I'm not rich enough to upgrade to a newer PS, especially as I really only use it for separating the channels when making tricolour gum negatives. (I have to keep a Snow Leopard boot disc specially for using the CS ON MY iMac, these days) Best wishes Henry Sent from my iPad > On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:03, Matti Koskinen wrote: > >> On 3.1.2014 19:05, Christina Z. Anderson wrote: >> Henry, >> >> How fun! And from the IPhone no less! That is a really great idea actually. >> >> There is a new plugin that a former workshop student of mine, Ren? Roberts, told me about. >> >> http://www.andromeda.com/main/stippleart.php >> >> She used the old andromeda screens to do photo etching on tiles (I probably screwed what actually she does up). Her tiles are quite beautiful. She may be on this list, too. >> >> It's made by Andromeda and has all sorts of grain effects. I bought it just to see if I could use it to mimic autochromes. Although I will say that the very minute grain in a casein print is quite beautiful in and of itself, even when scrubbed hard. >> >> I'll be working with the screen over the next year, especially if my sabbatical gets approved in 2014-15. :) >> >> Chris >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > This the link to the PS-action that does engraving quite well, and doesn't cost legs and arms. > > http://graphicriver.net/item/engrave-photoshop-actions-kit/1438626 > > and here's our dog watching TV > http://www.flickr.com/photos/91329867 at N06/ > > -m > > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From marekmatusz at hotmail.com Sat Jan 4 18:54:48 2014 From: marekmatusz at hotmail.com (Marek Matusz) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:54:48 -0600 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Sort-of-Alt fun project In-Reply-To: <522E9F2A-AA8E-4421-B7A1-DB4BC982286B@ntlworld.com> References: <99D31410-AA67-42A6-BB3D-25CDBD2EE223@gmail.com> <52C76BF9.3080405@gmail.com> <522E9F2A-AA8E-4421-B7A1-DB4BC982286B@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: A fee weeks ago Adobe had an offer for $10 per month subscription to photoshop/Lightroom. Very attractive price. I am not sure if they still have that offer. Marek Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:19 AM, "Henry Rattle" wrote: > > Thank you for the information about DGB Engraver, Matti - I hadn't heard of it. I wonder if it would work with my Photoshop CS? I'm not rich enough to upgrade to a newer PS, especially as I really only use it for separating the channels when making tricolour gum negatives. (I have to keep a Snow Leopard boot disc specially for using the CS ON MY iMac, these days) > > Best wishes > > Henry > > Sent from my iPad > >>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:03, Matti Koskinen wrote: >>> >>> On 3.1.2014 19:05, Christina Z. Anderson wrote: >>> Henry, >>> >>> How fun! And from the IPhone no less! That is a really great idea actually. >>> >>> There is a new plugin that a former workshop student of mine, Ren? Roberts, told me about. >>> >>> http://www.andromeda.com/main/stippleart.php >>> >>> She used the old andromeda screens to do photo etching on tiles (I probably screwed what actually she does up). Her tiles are quite beautiful. She may be on this list, too. >>> >>> It's made by Andromeda and has all sorts of grain effects. I bought it just to see if I could use it to mimic autochromes. Although I will say that the very minute grain in a casein print is quite beautiful in and of itself, even when scrubbed hard. >>> >>> I'll be working with the screen over the next year, especially if my sabbatical gets approved in 2014-15. :) >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> This the link to the PS-action that does engraving quite well, and doesn't cost legs and arms. >> >> http://graphicriver.net/item/engrave-photoshop-actions-kit/1438626 >> >> and here's our dog watching TV >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/91329867 at N06/ >> >> -m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From e.camerling at tiscali.nl Sat Jan 4 20:39:17 2014 From: e.camerling at tiscali.nl (Erich Camerling) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:39:17 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: transparent film density at 365 nm In-Reply-To: References: <52C6C7F3.4000102@tiscali.nl> Message-ID: <52C87175.8040801@tiscali.nl> Hi Bob, Thank you for your good wishes and the same wishes to you !. Yes , I can. A piece of 5 x 5 cm is enough And 10 x 15 max. And all sorts of transparency film not mentioned are welcome. But realize that not only transparency is important Kind regards, Erich BOB KISS schreef op 3-1-2014 15:27: > DEAR ERICH, > > Happy New Year to you! > > Did you have the opportunity to read the density of INKPRESS > transparency film? > > CHEERS! > > BOB > > > > _____ > > From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org > [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of > Erich Camerling > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 10:24 AM > To: alt-photo process-list > Subject: [Alt-photo] transparent film density at 365 nm > > > > Dear members, > > At 4-nov-2013 I put data about optical densities on this site. > Recently I noticed that these data were not correct because I made > a mistake during the density measurement (the UV densitometer > worked correct ! ) > For that reason I will give you the correct data: > OD > Colorgate CG Sceenfilm (from 2013) 0,26 (www.colorgate.com) > Permajet Digital transfer film 165 ? 0,24 ( www.permajet.com) > Agfa Copyjet 0,22 > Tecco screenfilm basic plus transparant 135 ? 0,17 > (www.graphic-reseau.com/photo) > > Revolution premium screenfilm 0,27 (www.revolutiontransfers.co.uk) > > Revolution HD screenfilm 0,60 ( " " > " ) > All these samples I received from European companies . > I asked other users to send me samples from Pictorico OHP , premium OHP > and OHP ultra. > Nobody gave a reaction (not interested, Pictorico users ??? ) except one > helpful member. > (Thank you very much Chris) > > Erich Camerling > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 9246 (20140103) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 9246 (20140103) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From e.camerling at tiscali.nl Sat Jan 4 20:54:54 2014 From: e.camerling at tiscali.nl (Erich Camerling) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:54:54 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: transparent film density at 365 nm In-Reply-To: <52C6C7F3.4000102@tiscali.nl> References: <52C6C7F3.4000102@tiscali.nl> Message-ID: <52C8751E.5070903@tiscali.nl> Hi all I 've sent tecco and revolution transfer film. And even if the tecco has the lower uv density , it doesn't absorb ink as I would . I get a max of 2.0 density on this film but get 4.0 density on the 2 other film ( revolution transfer), and they are dry directly out of the printer. Chris, thank you very much for your your addition.I only measured OD. 2014/1/3 Erich Camerling Dear members, At 4-nov-2013 I put data about optical densities on this site. Recently I noticed that these data were not correct because I made a mistake during the density measurement (the UV densitometer worked correct ! ) For that reason I will give you the correct data: OD Colorgate CG Sceenfilm (from 2013) 0,26 (www.colorgate.com) Permajet Digital transfer film 165 ? 0,24 ( www.permajet.com) Agfa Copyjet 0,22 Tecco screenfilm basic plus transparant 135 ? 0,17 (www.graphic-reseau.com/photo)> Revolution premium screenfilm 0,27 (www.revolutiontransfers.co.uk) Revolution HD screenfilm 0,60 ( " " " All these samples I received from European companies . I asked other users to send me samples from Pictorico OHP , premium OHP and OHP ultra. Nobody gave a reaction (not interested, Pictorico users ??? ) except one helpful member. (Thank you very much Chris) Erich Camerling ____________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From johnbrewerphotography at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 21:30:37 2014 From: johnbrewerphotography at gmail.com (John Brewer) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 21:30:37 +0000 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: transparent film density at 365 nm In-Reply-To: <52C8751E.5070903@tiscali.nl> References: <52C6C7F3.4000102@tiscali.nl> <52C8751E.5070903@tiscali.nl> Message-ID: <7552BC78-E167-4707-8111-5CCE2247186C@gmail.com> Hi Erich I use Posi print film http://www.colourbyte.co.uk/content/blogcategory/110/1672/#IJ305. This looks like Pictorico but is much cheaper. Happy to send you a couple of sheets if you send me your address off list. Cheers John Sent from my iPhone > On 4 Jan 2014, at 08:54 pm, Erich Camerling wrote: > > Hi all > > I 've sent tecco and revolution transfer film. And even if the tecco has the lower uv density , it doesn't absorb ink as I would . > I get a max of 2.0 density on this film but get 4.0 density on the 2 other film ( revolution transfer), and they are dry directly out of the printer. > > Chris, thank you very much for your your addition.I only measured OD. > > 2014/1/3 Erich Camerling > > Dear members, > At 4-nov-2013 I put data about optical densities on this site. > Recently I noticed that these data were not correct because I made > a mistake during the density measurement (the UV densitometer > worked correct ! ) > For that reason I will give you the correct data: > OD > Colorgate CG Sceenfilm (from 2013) 0,26 (www.colorgate.com) > Permajet Digital transfer film 165 ? 0,24 ( www.permajet.com) > Agfa Copyjet 0,22 > Tecco screenfilm basic plus transparant 135 ? 0,17 > (www.graphic-reseau.com/photo)> > Revolution premium screenfilm 0,27 (www.revolutiontransfers.co.uk) > Revolution HD screenfilm 0,60 ( " " " > > All these samples I received from European companies . > I asked other users to send me samples from Pictorico OHP , premium OHP > and OHP ultra. > Nobody gave a reaction (not interested, Pictorico users ??? ) except one > helpful member. > (Thank you very much Chris) > > Erich Camerling > ____________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From johnbrewerphotography at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 22:21:54 2014 From: johnbrewerphotography at gmail.com (John Brewer) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 22:21:54 +0000 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Lomography Resurrects the 19th Century Petzval Lens for Canon and Nikon SLRs In-Reply-To: References: <2909E0EE-F0FE-4061-84FF-63B492B92725@gmail.com> <2E6948C4-CD8A-4D52-B95E-A0F7681D6776@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom They did have the optical configuration on their Kickstarter page but it's been pulled.... Happy new year list members John Sent from my iPhone > On 17 Dec 2013, at 05:19 pm, Tomas Sobota wrote: > > Christina, > > The actual maker of this lens is the Krasnogorsk factory near Moscow. They > were the builders of the Zorki and Zenith cameras among others, as well as > dozens of Russian lens designs. I bet that for these guys 1666 lenses, as > you say, is not such a large batch. They always had a problem with quality > control, but I guess that nobody will care too much about quality in these > Petzvals. > > I won't be buying one of these. On the one hand I already have three real > Petzvals for my large format cameras, and on the other hand I agree with > John Brewer in that this is a somewhat spurious business on the part of > Lomography. What is news for me is that these lenses are not Petzvals. Is > that so? Is there a diagram available somewhere to compare? > > Oh yes, and the bokeh of the images that these lenses make is dreadful. For > my taste, that is. > > Tom > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Christina Anderson < > christinazanderson at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Eric (and John) >> Thanks for the link! I thought, when I first read the description and it >> said "$300 will buy you a bit of history" I thought, what a great idea, >> I'll sport for that. Then when you click on further, it says $499. Then >> further the lens is now $599! So that is a bit steep for trying something >> out unless it is really good. So, John, I'm glad you say this, that it >> isn't really a Petzval. Makes the 100% increase seem not worth it. But if >> anyone buys it will you let us know if it is worth it? >> >> Also, I noticed they got $1,000,000 already and production date for >> pre-orders is pushed to May or later. By my calculations, at even the $600 >> price that is making 1666 lenses. Can you IMAGINE??? No wonder production >> is pushed back. >> >> Lenses are such a big deal. I have one lens that has its shortcomings but >> is really a gorgeous lens--the Nikkor AF micro 60/2.8. It makes such a >> difference when I use that lens. So I am a sucker for the allure of glass. >> >> But still, Petzval...how intriguing an idea....I say as I dug out my Holga >> lens for my D800 to go out for a shoot... >> >> WOOHOO for Christmas break. >> >> Chris >> >> Christina Z. Anderson >> http://christinaZanderson.com/ >> >>> On Dec 16, 2013, at 4:20 AM, John Brewer wrote: >>> >>> Hi Eric >>> >>> Lots of people, mostly us wetplate guys, have issues with this. It isn't >> a Petzval lens, that is it doesn't have two air spaced elements at the back >> and two cemented elements at the front. Additionally Lomo used Kickstarter >> to raise money, which while it conforms to Kickstarters rules it's a bit >> immoral for a company of that size the raise money that way. >>> The Lomo lens is faster than a lot of Petzval from the 19th century but >> you can take out baffles of the older lenses. >>> A much better option IMHO is >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1162663202/the-petzvar-f-38-120-mm-medium-format-petzval-port/description >>> Just my tuppence worth. >>> Best wishes >>> John >>> >>>> On 16 Dec 2013, at 07:40 am, eric nelson wrote: >>>> Kinda cool. >> http://petapixel.com/2013/07/25/lomography-resurrects-the-19th-century-petzval-lens-for-canon-and-nikon-slrs/?fb_action_ids=603949566318750&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B177449689104403%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.likes%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D >>>> >>>> or *http://tinyurl.com/m76r4rn * >>>> -- >>>> *Eric Nelson Photography* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From gemeentehuis at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 22:40:51 2014 From: gemeentehuis at gmail.com (Bert Kuijer) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 23:40:51 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Lomography Resurrects the 19th Century Petzval Lens for Canon and Nikon SLRs In-Reply-To: References: <2909E0EE-F0FE-4061-84FF-63B492B92725@gmail.com> <2E6948C4-CD8A-4D52-B95E-A0F7681D6776@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom and John, There is something they cal a "technical data sheet" on their site an can be downloaded here: http://microsites.lomography.com/petzval-lens/images/technical_download.pdf Not much about the glass though... Some other info here: http://microsites.lomography.com/petzval-lens/technical_information/ Bert from Holland 2014/1/4 John Brewer > Hi Tom > > They did have the optical configuration on their Kickstarter page but it's > been pulled.... > > Happy new year list members > > John > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 17 Dec 2013, at 05:19 pm, Tomas Sobota wrote: > > > > Christina, > > > > The actual maker of this lens is the Krasnogorsk factory near Moscow. > They > > were the builders of the Zorki and Zenith cameras among others, as well > as > > dozens of Russian lens designs. I bet that for these guys 1666 lenses, as > > you say, is not such a large batch. They always had a problem with > quality > > control, but I guess that nobody will care too much about quality in > these > > Petzvals. > > > > I won't be buying one of these. On the one hand I already have three real > > Petzvals for my large format cameras, and on the other hand I agree with > > John Brewer in that this is a somewhat spurious business on the part of > > Lomography. What is news for me is that these lenses are not Petzvals. Is > > that so? Is there a diagram available somewhere to compare? > > > > Oh yes, and the bokeh of the images that these lenses make is dreadful. > For > > my taste, that is. > > > > Tom > From sanking at clemson.edu Sun Jan 5 15:12:29 2014 From: sanking at clemson.edu (Sandy King) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 10:12:29 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: transparent film density at 365 nm In-Reply-To: <52C8751E.5070903@tiscali.nl> References: <52C6C7F3.4000102@tiscali.nl> <52C8751E.5070903@tiscali.nl> Message-ID: Are you measuring density emulsion side up or emulsion side down. With high ink density the orientation can make quite a difference in reading. Sandy On Jan 4, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Erich Camerling wrote: > Hi all > > I 've sent tecco and revolution transfer film. And even if the tecco has the lower uv density , it doesn't absorb ink as I would . > I get a max of 2.0 density on this film but get 4.0 density on the 2 other film ( revolution transfer), and they are dry directly out of the printer. > > Chris, thank you very much for your your addition.I only measured OD. > > 2014/1/3 Erich Camerling > > Dear members, > At 4-nov-2013 I put data about optical densities on this site. > Recently I noticed that these data were not correct because I made > a mistake during the density measurement (the UV densitometer > worked correct ! ) > For that reason I will give you the correct data: > OD > Colorgate CG Sceenfilm (from 2013) 0,26 (www.colorgate.com) > Permajet Digital transfer film 165 ? 0,24 ( www.permajet.com) > Agfa Copyjet 0,22 > Tecco screenfilm basic plus transparant 135 ? 0,17 > (www.graphic-reseau.com/photo)> > Revolution premium screenfilm 0,27 (www.revolutiontransfers.co.uk) > Revolution HD screenfilm 0,60 ( " " " > > All these samples I received from European companies . > I asked other users to send me samples from Pictorico OHP , premium OHP > and OHP ultra. > Nobody gave a reaction (not interested, Pictorico users ??? ) except one > helpful member. > (Thank you very much Chris) > > Erich Camerling > ____________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From tom at sobota.net Sun Jan 5 16:02:24 2014 From: tom at sobota.net (Tomas Sobota) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 17:02:24 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Lomography Resurrects the 19th Century Petzval Lens for Canon and Nikon SLRs In-Reply-To: References: <2909E0EE-F0FE-4061-84FF-63B492B92725@gmail.com> <2E6948C4-CD8A-4D52-B95E-A0F7681D6776@gmail.com> Message-ID: John, Bert Thanks for the info. I have already seen most of it, and the nearest thing similar to a diagram I could find is a generic Petzval drawing probably taken from a book and which does not represent the real lens. They are probably not giving this information away. Everybody seems to be so excited about the "marvelous swirl effects" of the Petzvals, but XIXth century photographers kept these effects rather out of the image area. Seeing some of the images made with the Lomography New Petzval, one understands why. Happy New Year for you too. Tom On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Bert Kuijer wrote: > Hi Tom and John, > There is something they cal a "technical data sheet" on their site an can > be downloaded here: > http://microsites.lomography.com/petzval-lens/images/technical_download.pdf > Not much about the glass though... > Some other info here: > http://microsites.lomography.com/petzval-lens/technical_information/ > Bert from Holland > > > 2014/1/4 John Brewer > > > Hi Tom > > > > They did have the optical configuration on their Kickstarter page but > it's > > been pulled.... > > > > Happy new year list members > > > > John > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On 17 Dec 2013, at 05:19 pm, Tomas Sobota wrote: > > > > > > Christina, > > > > > > The actual maker of this lens is the Krasnogorsk factory near Moscow. > > They > > > were the builders of the Zorki and Zenith cameras among others, as well > > as > > > dozens of Russian lens designs. I bet that for these guys 1666 lenses, > as > > > you say, is not such a large batch. They always had a problem with > > quality > > > control, but I guess that nobody will care too much about quality in > > these > > > Petzvals. > > > > > > I won't be buying one of these. On the one hand I already have three > real > > > Petzvals for my large format cameras, and on the other hand I agree > with > > > John Brewer in that this is a somewhat spurious business on the part of > > > Lomography. What is news for me is that these lenses are not Petzvals. > Is > > > that so? Is there a diagram available somewhere to compare? > > > > > > Oh yes, and the bokeh of the images that these lenses make is dreadful. > > For > > > my taste, that is. > > > > > > Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From ejnphoto at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 9 16:37:14 2014 From: ejnphoto at sbcglobal.net (Eric Neilsen) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 10:37:14 -0600 Subject: [Alt-photo] Dallas, TX darkroom equipment for sale Message-ID: <000001cf0d59$0e912f40$2bb38dc0$@net> Over the next few months I'll be moving the darkroom and life to a new location. Time to let some of this stuff go. Too much to list, so if you are looking for trays, tables, .. Contact me off list. Eric Neilsen 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 214-827-8301 www.ericneilsenphotography.com SKYPE ejprinter From e.camerling at tiscali.nl Sat Jan 11 20:03:04 2014 From: e.camerling at tiscali.nl (Erich Camerling) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 21:03:04 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] transparent film density at 365 nm Message-ID: <52D1A378.5080803@tiscali.nl> Dear members, Hereby I will give you the latest (correct) OD data Colorgate CG Sceenfilm (from 2013) 0,26 (www.colorgate.com) Permajet Digital transfer film 165 ? 0,24 ( www.permajet.com) Agfa Copyjet 0,22 Tecco screenfilm basic plus transparant 135 ? 0,17 (www.graphic-reseau.com/photo) Revolution premium screenfilm 0,27 (www.revolutiontransfers.co.uk) Revolution HD screenfilm 0,60 ( " " " ) NEW : Posiprint screenfilm 130 ? 0,28 (www.colourbyte.co.uk/content/blogcatagory/110/1672) All these samples I received from European companies and members. I asked other users to send me samples from Pictorico OHP , premium OHP and OHP ultra. Nobody gave a reaction (not interested, Pictorico users ??? ) except two helpful members. (Thank you very much Chris and John) You can send Pictorico samples (min. size 5x5 cm ,max 10x15 cm) in a standard envelope.(cheapest way).Let me know that on my private e-mail address and I will send you my postal address. Erich Camerling From christinazanderson at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 03:33:42 2014 From: christinazanderson at gmail.com (Christina Anderson) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:33:42 -0700 Subject: [Alt-photo] rooster? watermark Message-ID: Can't believe I am asking this question again but is the paper with the circle watermark and what looks like a rooster in it Stonehenge? Chris Christina Z. Anderson http://christinaZanderson.com/ From jon at intaglioeditions.com Wed Jan 15 03:35:12 2014 From: jon at intaglioeditions.com (Jon Lybrook) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:35:12 -0700 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: =?utf-8?q?rooster=3F_watermark?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nein! Hahnemuhle. :-) On 2014-01-14 20:33, Christina Anderson wrote: > Can't believe I am asking this question again but is the paper with > the circle watermark and what looks like a rooster in it Stonehenge? > Chris > > Christina Z. Anderson > http://christinaZanderson.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From christinazanderson at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 04:33:05 2014 From: christinazanderson at gmail.com (Christina Anderson) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 21:33:05 -0700 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: rooster? watermark In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43877867-BBD3-40FC-A7C7-4345689D860B@gmail.com> That's IT! Thank you Jon!!! Calibrating it for VDB... Chris Christina Z. Anderson http://christinaZanderson.com/ On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Jon Lybrook wrote: > Nein! Hahnemuhle. :-) > > > > On 2014-01-14 20:33, Christina Anderson wrote: >> Can't believe I am asking this question again but is the paper with >> the circle watermark and what looks like a rooster in it Stonehenge? >> Chris >> Christina Z. Anderson >> http://christinaZanderson.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From kerik at kerik.com Thu Jan 16 07:57:19 2014 From: kerik at kerik.com (Kerik Kouklis) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 23:57:19 -0800 Subject: [Alt-photo] RIP Davidjohn Lotto Message-ID: <000801cf1290$95445df0$bfcd19d0$@kerik.com> My alt process friends... I wanted to let you know one of our fellow travelers has passed. Davidjohn Lotto from Sacramento, CA succumbed today after battling brain cancer for the last few years. He wasn't very active on the internet, but you can see some of his beautiful work here http://www.davidjohnlotto.com/ Rest in peace old friend... Kerik www.kerik.com From jean.daubas at wanadoo.fr Thu Jan 16 09:37:44 2014 From: jean.daubas at wanadoo.fr (Jean Daubas) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:37:44 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Christina's work in Square Mag In-Reply-To: <43877867-BBD3-40FC-A7C7-4345689D860B@gmail.com> References: <43877867-BBD3-40FC-A7C7-4345689D860B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1634D3A1B1AC4DFE94D3EFADB8D27C32@Jeandesktop> Hi all! So happy to admire our list-friend Christina?s works just published in the on-line magazine ?Square magazine? # 404 You will find them here: http://www.squaremag.org/ Congratulations, Christina and alternative cheers from France, Jean From luciano at lucianoteghillo.com Thu Jan 16 12:26:41 2014 From: luciano at lucianoteghillo.com (Luciano Teghillo) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:26:41 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Christina's work in Square Mag In-Reply-To: <1634D3A1B1AC4DFE94D3EFADB8D27C32@Jeandesktop> References: <43877867-BBD3-40FC-A7C7-4345689D860B@gmail.com> <1634D3A1B1AC4DFE94D3EFADB8D27C32@Jeandesktop> Message-ID: <1C2A493203E4420F8654BBEDE087889D@Nuvoletta> Hi Christina, Beautiful images. Wish I could see them in person. Jean, thanks for posting about the magazine. I was not aware of its existence. Cheers, Luciano -----Original Message----- From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of Jean Daubas Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:38 AM To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org Subject: [Alt-photo] Christina's work in Square Mag Hi all! So happy to admire our list-friend Christina's works just published in the on-line magazine "Square magazine" # 404 You will find them here: http://www.squaremag.org/ Congratulations, Christina and alternative cheers from France, Jean _______________________________________________ Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From luciano at lucianoteghillo.com Thu Jan 16 12:26:41 2014 From: luciano at lucianoteghillo.com (Luciano Teghillo) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:26:41 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: RIP Davidjohn Lotto In-Reply-To: <000801cf1290$95445df0$bfcd19d0$@kerik.com> References: <000801cf1290$95445df0$bfcd19d0$@kerik.com> Message-ID: <968B7BAFFC5D42E7AFE10365FB84224D@Nuvoletta> Very beautiful and serene work, indeed. I always feel sad when I hear about someone passing...I guess it's age, and makes you think about your own life. My deepest condolences to his family. Luciano -----Original Message----- From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of Kerik Kouklis Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:57 AM To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org Subject: [Alt-photo] RIP Davidjohn Lotto My alt process friends... I wanted to let you know one of our fellow travelers has passed. Davidjohn Lotto from Sacramento, CA succumbed today after battling brain cancer for the last few years. He wasn't very active on the internet, but you can see some of his beautiful work here http://www.davidjohnlotto.com/ Rest in peace old friend... Kerik www.kerik.com _______________________________________________ Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From workshops at polychrome.nl Thu Jan 16 12:45:49 2014 From: workshops at polychrome.nl (Kees Brandenburg) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:45:49 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Photogravure ateliers (europe) Message-ID: <492F03C3-279B-4920-8316-091EF95648D7@polychrome.nl> Hi, A friend asked me if I could help finding a photogravure atelier or printer that prints photo gravure (editions) in commision. Preferred location: Europe. Does anyone know such an atelier? thanks, Kees From payral at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 12:52:38 2014 From: payral at gmail.com (Philippe Ayral) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:52:38 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Photogravure ateliers (europe) In-Reply-To: <492F03C3-279B-4920-8316-091EF95648D7@polychrome.nl> References: <492F03C3-279B-4920-8316-091EF95648D7@polychrome.nl> Message-ID: Atelier de Saint Prex - Pietro Sarto - Grand'rue 15 - 1162 Saint-Prex - Switzerland One of the best if not the best. [image: Avatar] *Philippe Ayral** Photographie* 52, rue de Vallard - 74240 Gaillard T?l: 04 50 39 79 81 www.payral.fr Designed with WiseStamp - Get yours 2014/1/16 Kees Brandenburg > Hi, > > A friend asked me if I could help finding a photogravure atelier or > printer that prints photo gravure (editions) in commision. Preferred > location: Europe. > Does anyone know such an atelier? > > thanks, > > Kees > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From workshops at polychrome.nl Thu Jan 16 13:18:38 2014 From: workshops at polychrome.nl (Kees Brandenburg) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 14:18:38 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Photogravure ateliers (europe) In-Reply-To: References: <492F03C3-279B-4920-8316-091EF95648D7@polychrome.nl> Message-ID: <8339910A-5A84-416F-9169-99136EA9EC86@polychrome.nl> thanks philippe! -k On 16 jan. 2014, at 13:52, Philippe Ayral wrote: > Atelier de Saint Prex - Pietro Sarto - Grand'rue 15 - 1162 Saint-Prex - > Switzerland > One of the best if not the best. From mail at loris.medici.name Thu Jan 16 13:29:06 2014 From: mail at loris.medici.name (Loris Medici) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 15:29:06 +0200 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Christina's work in Square Mag In-Reply-To: <1C2A493203E4420F8654BBEDE087889D@Nuvoletta> References: <43877867-BBD3-40FC-A7C7-4345689D860B@gmail.com> <1634D3A1B1AC4DFE94D3EFADB8D27C32@Jeandesktop> <1C2A493203E4420F8654BBEDE087889D@Nuvoletta> Message-ID: Congratulations Christina, thank you Jean. Regards, Loris. 2014/1/16 Luciano Teghillo > Hi Christina, > > Beautiful images. Wish I could see them in person. > Jean, thanks for posting about the magazine. I was not aware of its > existence. > > Cheers, > Luciano > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org > [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf > Of > Jean Daubas > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:38 AM > To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org > Subject: [Alt-photo] Christina's work in Square Mag > > Hi all! > So happy to admire our list-friend Christina's works just published in the > on-line magazine "Square magazine" # 404 You will find them here: > http://www.squaremag.org/ > > Congratulations, Christina > and alternative cheers from France, > Jean > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From jean.daubas at wanadoo.fr Thu Jan 16 13:41:56 2014 From: jean.daubas at wanadoo.fr (Jean Daubas) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 14:41:56 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Photogravure ateliers (europe) In-Reply-To: References: <492F03C3-279B-4920-8316-091EF95648D7@polychrome.nl> Message-ID: <2AEA2BBB57C34566B1227A15F43AA517@Jeandesktop> Hi Kees, I confirm Philippe appreciation of Atelier de Saint Prex. Fantastic work, indeed. I should add another great place: Atelier H?lio?g, ran by Fanny Boucher, located in Meudon (near Paris). Her website is : http://www.heliog.com/ and gives a lot of information (English translations for some pages) about her way of working. Here is an excerpt of her presentation ? The studio Helio?g created and run by Fanny Boucher since 2000, is a unique place of creation in France. Here the emergence of new images via the collaboration with artists is favoured. The technique of photogravure is placed at the artist?s disposition offering a means of expression using an exceptional process. The atelier is situated at one of the gateways to Paris in Meudon. Here in the historic Potager du Dauphin, surrounded by acres of lush forest, is where 10 highly skilled craftspeople have their studios. A graduate of the Ecole Superieure des Arts et industries graphiques Estienne in intaglio engraving, Fanny Boucher has specialized since 1998 in the Talbot-Klic process of photogravure grain through his training with Jean-Daniel Lemoine, scientific specializing in photomecanical processes of the nineteenth century.Since 2002 she has invested in the research for the creation of positive films of half tints from numeric files, anticipating the scarcity of silver films with continuous tones. These silver films do not offer the same freedom to retouch and rework the images. In 2006 the atelier H?lio?g obtained the prestigious Living Monument label and is listed as a UNESCO cultural monument thus validating the cultural importance of this rare craft. Artistes pour lesquels travaille l'atelier: Valerio Adami, Pierre Alechinsky, Chu Te Chun, Lucien Clergue, Robert Combas, Jo?l Ducorroy, Ernest Pignon Ernest, Pierre Etaix, Alain Jacquet, Kim Tschang Yeul, Yayoi Kusama, Fran?ois Morellet, Shibata, Pierre Skira, Tony Souli?, Szeto Lap, Willy Ronis, Zao Wouki, Zep ? Hope it helps! Alt cheers from france!, Jean From: Philippe Ayral Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:52 PM To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Photogravure ateliers (europe) From newcombr at uga.edu Thu Jan 16 13:45:31 2014 From: newcombr at uga.edu (Robert K Newcomb) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:45:31 +0000 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: RIP Davidjohn Lotto In-Reply-To: <968B7BAFFC5D42E7AFE10365FB84224D@Nuvoletta> References: <000801cf1290$95445df0$bfcd19d0$@kerik.com> <968B7BAFFC5D42E7AFE10365FB84224D@Nuvoletta> Message-ID: You can see it in his beautiful work, he was a lovely spirit. Robert On Jan 16, 2014, at 7:26 AM, Luciano Teghillo wrote: Very beautiful and serene work, indeed. I always feel sad when I hear about someone passing...I guess it's age, and makes you think about your own life. My deepest condolences to his family. Luciano -----Original Message----- From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of Kerik Kouklis Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:57 AM To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org Subject: [Alt-photo] RIP Davidjohn Lotto My alt process friends... I wanted to let you know one of our fellow travelers has passed. Davidjohn Lotto from Sacramento, CA succumbed today after battling brain cancer for the last few years. He wasn't very active on the internet, but you can see some of his beautiful work here http://www.davidjohnlotto.com/ Rest in peace old friend... Kerik www.kerik.com _______________________________________________ Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org _______________________________________________ Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From dougcollins99 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 13:57:58 2014 From: dougcollins99 at gmail.com (Douglas Collins) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:57:58 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Davidjohn Lotto Message-ID: The news of Davidjohn Lotto's passing came as a surprise to me because his accomplishment seems to be of a very high order, yet I, in my ignorance - aren't we ignorant so often of what goes on right next to us? - had never heard of him. Clearly, a great loss. I will do what I can to keep his name and work alive. -- douglas collins www.douglascollinspictures.com cell 646-678-0172 From dlhbloomfield at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 13:59:43 2014 From: dlhbloomfield at gmail.com (Diana Bloomfield) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:59:43 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: RIP Davidjohn Lotto In-Reply-To: References: <000801cf1290$95445df0$bfcd19d0$@kerik.com> <968B7BAFFC5D42E7AFE10365FB84224D@Nuvoletta> Message-ID: <4C342BB6-8BF0-4E69-9532-37D25E71AF08@gmail.com> Wow-- that's stunning imagery-- so beautiful. I wasn't familiar with his name or work. Thanks for sharing that, Kerik. I'm sorry to hear of his passing. -Diana On Jan 16, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Robert K Newcomb wrote: > You can see it in his beautiful work, he was a lovely spirit. > Robert > > > On Jan 16, 2014, at 7:26 AM, Luciano Teghillo wrote: > > Very beautiful and serene work, indeed. > I always feel sad when I hear about someone passing...I guess it's age, and > makes you think about your own life. > > My deepest condolences to his family. > Luciano > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org > [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of > Kerik Kouklis > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:57 AM > To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org > Subject: [Alt-photo] RIP Davidjohn Lotto > > My alt process friends... > > I wanted to let you know one of our fellow travelers has passed. Davidjohn > Lotto from Sacramento, CA succumbed today after battling brain cancer for > the last few years. He wasn't very active on the internet, but you can see > some of his beautiful work here http://www.davidjohnlotto.com/ > > Rest in peace old friend... > > Kerik > www.kerik.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From workshops at polychrome.nl Thu Jan 16 14:05:13 2014 From: workshops at polychrome.nl (Kees Brandenburg) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 15:05:13 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Photogravure ateliers (europe) In-Reply-To: <2AEA2BBB57C34566B1227A15F43AA517@Jeandesktop> References: <492F03C3-279B-4920-8316-091EF95648D7@polychrome.nl> <2AEA2BBB57C34566B1227A15F43AA517@Jeandesktop> Message-ID: <4DA5E1A0-49DD-4B21-8FE1-7771E76B910C@polychrome.nl> thanks Jean -k On 16 jan. 2014, at 14:41, Jean Daubas wrote: > I confirm Philippe appreciation of Atelier de Saint Prex. Fantastic work, indeed. > > I should add another great place: > > Atelier H?lio?g, > ran by Fanny Boucher, located in Meudon (near Paris). > Her website is : > > http://www.heliog.com/ From sanking at clemson.edu Thu Jan 16 14:09:17 2014 From: sanking at clemson.edu (Sandy King) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 09:09:17 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: RIP Davidjohn Lotto In-Reply-To: <000801cf1290$95445df0$bfcd19d0$@kerik.com> References: <000801cf1290$95445df0$bfcd19d0$@kerik.com> Message-ID: <944DD52E-A4E0-448B-9D37-3FED15EED619@clemson.edu> I am saddened to hear of Davidjohn Lotto's passing. I never had the opportunity to meet him but we talked on the phone several times about big cameras and printing techniques and I saw his images in View Camera magazine. The web site has some very beautiful and moving work. Sandy On Jan 16, 2014, at 2:57 AM, Kerik Kouklis wrote: > My alt process friends... > > I wanted to let you know one of our fellow travelers has passed. Davidjohn > Lotto from Sacramento, CA succumbed today after battling brain cancer for > the last few years. He wasn't very active on the internet, but you can see > some of his beautiful work here http://www.davidjohnlotto.com/ > > Rest in peace old friend... > > Kerik > www.kerik.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From christinazanderson at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 15:00:11 2014 From: christinazanderson at gmail.com (Christina Anderson) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:00:11 -0700 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Christina's work in Square Mag In-Reply-To: <1634D3A1B1AC4DFE94D3EFADB8D27C32@Jeandesktop> References: <43877867-BBD3-40FC-A7C7-4345689D860B@gmail.com> <1634D3A1B1AC4DFE94D3EFADB8D27C32@Jeandesktop> Message-ID: <3D93EC23-35FA-493D-9E9B-278CA06E2F5C@gmail.com> Thank you, Jean, for the mention! I was not aware of Square until Christophe contacted me about my square series, Family of Origin. What's ironic is that I have never worked in square format, generally, before, until this project which contained some square medium format negatives and then 35mm slides. I decided to crop the 35mm where I could and go with square format all told so that I could grid the project, and also the older I get the more I seem to prefer smaller prints (these are 8x8 casein, framed in 13x13 natural wood frames). What is great about Square is its international scope and it's free! I was quite happy, too, to see Anne Berry's work in there because I think her and my work are an interesting juxtaposition. And the other work, and layout, are really nicely done. Heading to Photo LA today. I have never been. I am very interested in seeing the state of alt there. Will report back to the list. I know they have a lot of vintage stuff at the booths (I think some 600-800 booths of galleries, curators, etc. perhaps?) but I am most interested in contemporary alt. Susan Spiritus Gallery will be there with Jim Collum I know...looking forward to some really fresh sushi as well! Chris Christina Z. Anderson http://christinaZanderson.com/ On Jan 16, 2014, at 2:37 AM, Jean Daubas wrote: > Hi all! > So happy to admire our list-friend Christina?s works just published in the on-line magazine ?Square magazine? # 404 > You will find them here: > http://www.squaremag.org/ > > Congratulations, Christina > and alternative cheers from France, > Jean > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From pfriedrichsen at sympatico.ca Fri Jan 17 22:50:07 2014 From: pfriedrichsen at sympatico.ca (Peter Friedrichsen) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 17:50:07 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] ferric oxalate properties-looking for information In-Reply-To: <3D93EC23-35FA-493D-9E9B-278CA06E2F5C@gmail.com> References: <43877867-BBD3-40FC-A7C7-4345689D860B@gmail.com> <1634D3A1B1AC4DFE94D3EFADB8D27C32@Jeandesktop> <3D93EC23-35FA-493D-9E9B-278CA06E2F5C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Having a hard time finding specific gravity and pH values for ferric oxalate that I made from ferric hydrate "mud" It is an olive green but more yellow when seen through an eye dropper and a 5% solution has a pH of 2.3. Anyone know of charts of S.G. vs concentration and expected pH values? Any way to determine if free oxalic acid is present? Thanks, Peter Friedrichsen From mustafaumutsarac at gmail.com Sat Jan 18 01:50:56 2014 From: mustafaumutsarac at gmail.com (Mustafa Umut Sarac) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 03:50:56 +0200 Subject: [Alt-photo] Carbon Relief with Heated Polyurethane Foam Message-ID: Hello there, I posted above to APUG but may be you would be interested also. 25 years ago , I drawed an Picasso painting on to my jean with polyurethane ink and when you heat iron it , its makes pop up and makes a relief. In years I deeply interested in polyurethane foams and use at instrument making. Tonight , an new idea pops up and I found using polyurethane foam inks could be used as relief makers with inkjet printers. Polyurethane is the widest manufactured and used polymer in the world and it has ten thousand or more variants. Their foams are used to construct car interior parts , textiles , dashboard and paint. They can be raw surfaced or shiny metallic surfaced when you heat it and they can be transparent or semitransparent. One liter costs 4 dollars when it is heated it makes 33 liters of foam. Only the bad thing , if you use large amounts , its cyanine compound can be dangerous but I think car interiors have no this kind of effect. PU sellers offers wide selection of hardened pu and you select what finish you like. I think this can be a hit to carbon printers. Microwave oven can finish it. Thanks, Mustafa Umut Sarac Istanbul From noisy at rogers.com Sat Jan 18 03:33:40 2014 From: noisy at rogers.com (Ian Hooper) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 22:33:40 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon Relief with Heated Polyurethane Foam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52D9F614.9040000@rogers.com> This sounds like the old "thermo" inks that were popular for printing business cards. I doubt that it would have much use for a carbon printing process. On 17/01/2014 8:50 PM, Mustafa Umut Sarac wrote: > Hello there, > > I posted above to APUG but may be you would be interested also. > > 25 years ago , I drawed an Picasso painting on to my jean with polyurethane > ink and when you heat iron it , its makes pop up and makes a relief. In > years I deeply interested in polyurethane foams and use at instrument > making. > > Tonight , an new idea pops up and I found using polyurethane foam inks > could be used as relief makers with inkjet printers. > > Polyurethane is the widest manufactured and used polymer in the world and > it has ten thousand or more variants. > > Their foams are used to construct car interior parts , textiles , dashboard > and paint. > > They can be raw surfaced or shiny metallic surfaced when you heat it and > they can be transparent or semitransparent. > > One liter costs 4 dollars when it is heated it makes 33 liters of foam. > > Only the bad thing , if you use large amounts , its cyanine compound can be > dangerous but I think car interiors have no this kind of effect. > > PU sellers offers wide selection of hardened pu and you select what finish > you like. > > I think this can be a hit to carbon printers. Microwave oven can finish it. > > Thanks, > > Mustafa Umut Sarac > Istanbul > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From mail at loris.medici.name Sat Jan 18 13:56:50 2014 From: mail at loris.medici.name (Loris Medici) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 15:56:50 +0200 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: ferric oxalate properties-looking for information In-Reply-To: References: <43877867-BBD3-40FC-A7C7-4345689D860B@gmail.com> <1634D3A1B1AC4DFE94D3EFADB8D27C32@Jeandesktop> <3D93EC23-35FA-493D-9E9B-278CA06E2F5C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, See this article below: http://www.alternativephotography.com/wp/alt-proc/a-short-treatise-on-iron-salts There's a s.g. towards the end of the article. Nothing about pH though... Hope this helps. Regards, Loris. 2014/1/18 Peter Friedrichsen > Having a hard time finding specific gravity and pH values for ferric > oxalate that I made from ferric hydrate "mud" It is an olive green but more > yellow when seen through an eye dropper and a 5% solution has a pH of 2.3. > Anyone know of charts of S.G. vs concentration and expected pH values? Any > way to determine if free oxalic acid is present? > > Thanks, > > Peter Friedrichsen > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From pfriedrichsen at sympatico.ca Mon Jan 20 02:48:27 2014 From: pfriedrichsen at sympatico.ca (Peter Friedrichsen) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 21:48:27 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: ferric oxalate properties-looking for information In-Reply-To: References: <43877867-BBD3-40FC-A7C7-4345689D860B@gmail.com> <1634D3A1B1AC4DFE94D3EFADB8D27C32@Jeandesktop> <3D93EC23-35FA-493D-9E9B-278CA06E2F5C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Loris. Sounds like a good starting point. Peter Friedrichsen At 08:56 AM 18/01/2014, you wrote: >Hi Peter, > >See this article below: >http://www.alternativephotography.com/wp/alt-proc/a-short-treatise-on-iron-salts > >There's a s.g. towards the end of the article. Nothing about pH though... > >Hope this helps. > >Regards, >Loris. > > > >2014/1/18 Peter Friedrichsen > > > Having a hard time finding specific gravity and pH values for ferric > > oxalate that I made from ferric hydrate "mud" It is an olive green but more > > yellow when seen through an eye dropper and a 5% solution has a pH of 2.3. > > Anyone know of charts of S.G. vs concentration and expected pH values? Any > > way to determine if free oxalic acid is present? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Peter Friedrichsen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > >_______________________________________________ >Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From petebergstrom at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 19:48:04 2014 From: petebergstrom at gmail.com (Pete Bergstrom) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 13:48:04 -0600 Subject: [Alt-photo] Thanks due to Don (az...) and R.D. Specialties for coating rods Message-ID: I received my coating rods earlier this week, and boy am I ever impressed! Don, thanks so much for organizing the group buy. I know these are always a lot of work with little thanks. Randy of R.D. Specialties, if you're following the list, it was a pleasure buying from your company and receiving the terrific package in such short order. Best regards, Pete Bergstrom (in St. Paul, Minnesota) From bobkiss at caribsurf.com Thu Jan 23 22:02:59 2014 From: bobkiss at caribsurf.com (bobkiss @caribsurf.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:02:59 -0400 Subject: [Alt-photo] SUPPLIER OF UN??? Message-ID: DEAR LIST, I spend months experimenting with uranotype printing but, no sooner did I present the how-to video to APIS than the regulations for shipping uranyl nitrate changed and I can't seem to find a supplier. Only thing I see on e-bay is one gram "collectible samples" when I bought two 10g batches from e-bay over the last year. Does ANYONE know of a supplier of UN that would sell me small quantities? I talking about 10g at a time. I would buy larger quantities if they insist but most suppliers are more comfortable selling smaller quantities. HELP!!! BOB From bi3 at georgetown.edu Fri Jan 24 14:30:02 2014 From: bi3 at georgetown.edu (Barbara Izzo) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 09:30:02 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: SUPPLIER OF UN??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob-- I hope my uranium nitrate helped you out a bit. That was all I had and I've never tried to get more, so I've no suggestions. Hope you find some and can continue your work. Suzanne On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:02 PM, bobkiss @caribsurf.com < bobkiss at caribsurf.com> wrote: > DEAR LIST, > I spend months experimenting with uranotype printing but, no sooner > did I present the how-to video to APIS than the regulations for shipping > uranyl nitrate changed and I can't seem to find a supplier. Only thing I > see on e-bay is one gram "collectible samples" when I bought two 10g > batches from e-bay over the last year. > Does ANYONE know of a supplier of UN that would sell me small > quantities? I talking about 10g at a time. I would buy larger quantities > if they insist but most suppliers are more comfortable selling smaller > quantities. > HELP!!! > BOB > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From bobkiss at caribsurf.com Fri Jan 24 14:37:03 2014 From: bobkiss at caribsurf.com (bobkiss @caribsurf.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 10:37:03 -0400 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: SUPPLIER OF UN??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DEAR BARBARA, Yes, it was very helpful. I still have some in stock but, as I mentioned, after all the work, it would be a shame for this lovely process to just sit there for lack of material. CHEERS! BOB On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Barbara Izzo wrote: > Bob-- > > I hope my uranium nitrate helped you out a bit. > That was all I had and I've never tried to get more, so I've no > suggestions. > Hope you find some and can continue your work. > > Suzanne > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:02 PM, bobkiss @caribsurf.com < > bobkiss at caribsurf.com> wrote: > > > DEAR LIST, > > I spend months experimenting with uranotype printing but, no sooner > > did I present the how-to video to APIS than the regulations for shipping > > uranyl nitrate changed and I can't seem to find a supplier. Only thing I > > see on e-bay is one gram "collectible samples" when I bought two 10g > > batches from e-bay over the last year. > > Does ANYONE know of a supplier of UN that would sell me small > > quantities? I talking about 10g at a time. I would buy larger > quantities > > if they insist but most suppliers are more comfortable selling smaller > > quantities. > > HELP!!! > > BOB > > _______________________________________________ > > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From emanphoto at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 16:45:23 2014 From: emanphoto at gmail.com (eric nelson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 23:45:23 +0700 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: SUPPLIER OF UN??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Perhaps there a company in this list? http://www.chemicalbook.com/ProdSupplierGW_EN.aspx?CBNumber=CB4392622&ProvID=1001&ProvID&start=0 On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:02 AM, bobkiss @caribsurf.com < bobkiss at caribsurf.com> wrote: > DEAR LIST, > I spend months experimenting with uranotype printing but, no sooner > did I present the how-to video to APIS than the regulations for shipping > uranyl nitrate changed and I can't seem to find a supplier. Only thing I > see on e-bay is one gram "collectible samples" when I bought two 10g > batches from e-bay over the last year. > Does ANYONE know of a supplier of UN that would sell me small > quantities? I talking about 10g at a time. I would buy larger quantities > if they insist but most suppliers are more comfortable selling smaller > quantities. > HELP!!! > BOB > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > -- *Eric Nelson Photography* 086 343 1612 Powerpoint Portfolio Download: http://share.cx.com/zHf94N PDF Portfolio Download: http://share.cx.com/B9CyY6 Website: http://ericnelsonphoto.tumblr.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/EricNelsonPhotographyBangkok From jacqueskv at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 17:00:15 2014 From: jacqueskv at gmail.com (Jacques Kevers) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 18:00:15 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: SUPPLIER OF UN??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob, Not sure whether this one might help: they obviously have it in their inventory, but it seems to be out of stock. Temporarily or permanently? You might ask. http://www.2spi.com/catalog/chem/Uranyl_Nitrate.shtml Best, Jacques 2014/1/24 bobkiss @caribsurf.com > DEAR BARBARA, > Yes, it was very helpful. I still have some in stock but, as I > mentioned, after all the work, it would be a shame for this lovely process > to just sit there for lack of material. > CHEERS! > BOB > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Barbara Izzo wrote: > > > Bob-- > > > > I hope my uranium nitrate helped you out a bit. > > That was all I had and I've never tried to get more, so I've no > > suggestions. > > Hope you find some and can continue your work. > > > > Suzanne > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:02 PM, bobkiss @caribsurf.com < > > bobkiss at caribsurf.com> wrote: > > > > > DEAR LIST, > > > I spend months experimenting with uranotype printing but, no > sooner > > > did I present the how-to video to APIS than the regulations for > shipping > > > uranyl nitrate changed and I can't seem to find a supplier. Only > thing I > > > see on e-bay is one gram "collectible samples" when I bought two 10g > > > batches from e-bay over the last year. > > > Does ANYONE know of a supplier of UN that would sell me small > > > quantities? I talking about 10g at a time. I would buy larger > > quantities > > > if they insist but most suppliers are more comfortable selling smaller > > > quantities. > > > HELP!!! > > > BOB > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From jacqueskv at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 17:06:28 2014 From: jacqueskv at gmail.com (Jacques Kevers) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 18:06:28 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: SUPPLIER OF UN??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob, Not sure whether this one might help: they obviously have it in their inventory, but it seems to be out of stock. Temporarily or permanently? You might ask. http://www.2spi.com/catalog/chem/Uranyl_Nitrate.shtml Best, Jacques > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:02 PM, bobkiss @caribsurf.com < >> > bobkiss at caribsurf.com> wrote: >> > >> > > DEAR LIST, >> > > I spend months experimenting with uranotype printing but, no >> sooner >> > > did I present the how-to video to APIS than the regulations for >> shipping >> > > uranyl nitrate changed and I can't seem to find a supplier. Only >> thing I >> > > see on e-bay is one gram "collectible samples" when I bought two 10g >> > > batches from e-bay over the last year. >> > > Does ANYONE know of a supplier of UN that would sell me small >> > > quantities? I talking about 10g at a time. I would buy larger >> > quantities >> > > if they insist but most suppliers are more comfortable selling smaller >> > > quantities. >> > > HELP!!! >> > > BOB >> > > From bobkiss at caribsurf.com Fri Jan 24 18:09:22 2014 From: bobkiss at caribsurf.com (BOB KISS) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:09:22 -0400 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: SUPPLIER OF UN??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DEAR JACQUES & ERIC, Thanks for your suggestions! I will research them. CHEERS! BOB _____ From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of Jacques Kevers Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 1:06 PM To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: SUPPLIER OF UN??? Bob, Not sure whether this one might help: they obviously have it in their inventory, but it seems to be out of stock. Temporarily or permanently? You might ask. http://www.2spi.com/catalog/chem/Uranyl_Nitrate.shtml Best, Jacques > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:02 PM, bobkiss @caribsurf.com < >> > bobkiss at caribsurf.com> wrote: >> > >> > > DEAR LIST, >> > > I spend months experimenting with uranotype printing but, no >> sooner >> > > did I present the how-to video to APIS than the regulations for >> shipping >> > > uranyl nitrate changed and I can't seem to find a supplier. Only >> thing I >> > > see on e-bay is one gram "collectible samples" when I bought two 10g >> > > batches from e-bay over the last year. >> > > Does ANYONE know of a supplier of UN that would sell me small >> > > quantities? I talking about 10g at a time. I would buy larger >> > quantities >> > > if they insist but most suppliers are more comfortable selling smaller >> > > quantities. >> > > HELP!!! >> > > BOB >> > > _______________________________________________ Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9334 (20140124) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9334 (20140124) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From pfriedrichsen at sympatico.ca Sun Jan 26 02:32:54 2014 From: pfriedrichsen at sympatico.ca (Peter Friedrichsen) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 21:32:54 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: SUPPLIER OF UN??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Uraninite mineral specimens are available. A last resort could be the dissolution of uraninite in nitric acid. A test for Uraninite is done by placing a drop of nitric acid on the specimen leaving a bright green yellow deposit of uranyl nitrate. I suspect other impurities may come along for the ride unless you can get some pretty good crystals,even then!. You would have to investigate the risks of any byproducts from this reaction. Not for me! Peter Friedrichsen At 01:09 PM 24/01/2014, you wrote: >DEAR JACQUES & ERIC, > > Thanks for your suggestions! I will research them. > > CHEERS! > > BOB > > > > _____ > >From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org >[mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of >Jacques Kevers >Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 1:06 PM >To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list >Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: SUPPLIER OF UN??? > > > >Bob, >Not sure whether this one might help: they obviously have it in their >inventory, but it seems to be out of stock. >Temporarily or permanently? You might ask. >http://www.2spi.com/catalog/chem/Uranyl_Nitrate.shtml > >Best, >Jacques > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:02 PM, bobkiss @caribsurf.com < > >> > bobkiss at caribsurf.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > DEAR LIST, > >> > > I spend months experimenting with uranotype printing but, no > >> sooner > >> > > did I present the how-to video to APIS than the regulations for > >> shipping > >> > > uranyl nitrate changed and I can't seem to find a supplier. Only > >> thing I > >> > > see on e-bay is one gram "collectible samples" when I bought two 10g > >> > > batches from e-bay over the last year. > >> > > Does ANYONE know of a supplier of UN that would sell me small > >> > > quantities? I talking about 10g at a time. I would buy larger > >> > quantities > >> > > if they insist but most suppliers are more comfortable selling >smaller > >> > > quantities. > >> > > HELP!!! > >> > > BOB > >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >database 9334 (20140124) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >database 9334 (20140124) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com > >_______________________________________________ >Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From bobkiss at caribsurf.com Sun Jan 26 14:01:04 2014 From: bobkiss at caribsurf.com (bobkiss @caribsurf.com) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 10:01:04 -0400 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: SUPPLIER OF UN??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DEAR PETER, Like you, I am just not suicidal enough to play with uranium in any form but manufactured uranyl nitrate made from depleted uranium. I will leave that to the real pros. Some of the references received from other list members seem to be promising. CHEERS! BOB On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Peter Friedrichsen < pfriedrichsen at sympatico.ca> wrote: > Uraninite mineral specimens are available. A last resort could be the > dissolution of uraninite in nitric acid. A test for Uraninite is done by > placing a drop of nitric acid on the specimen leaving a bright green > yellow deposit of uranyl nitrate. I suspect other impurities may come along > for the ride unless you can get some pretty good crystals,even then!. You > would have to investigate the risks of any byproducts from this reaction. > Not for me! > > Peter Friedrichsen > > > > At 01:09 PM 24/01/2014, you wrote: > >> DEAR JACQUES & ERIC, >> >> Thanks for your suggestions! I will research them. >> >> CHEERS! >> >> BOB >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org >> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf >> Of >> Jacques Kevers >> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 1:06 PM >> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list >> Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: SUPPLIER OF UN??? >> >> >> >> Bob, >> Not sure whether this one might help: they obviously have it in their >> inventory, but it seems to be out of stock. >> Temporarily or permanently? You might ask. >> http://www.2spi.com/catalog/chem/Uranyl_Nitrate.shtml >> >> Best, >> Jacques >> >> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:02 PM, bobkiss @caribsurf.com < >> >> > bobkiss at caribsurf.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > DEAR LIST, >> >> > > I spend months experimenting with uranotype printing but, no >> >> sooner >> >> > > did I present the how-to video to APIS than the regulations for >> >> shipping >> >> > > uranyl nitrate changed and I can't seem to find a supplier. Only >> >> thing I >> >> > > see on e-bay is one gram "collectible samples" when I bought two >> 10g >> >> > > batches from e-bay over the last year. >> >> > > Does ANYONE know of a supplier of UN that would sell me small >> >> > > quantities? I talking about 10g at a time. I would buy larger >> >> > quantities >> >> > > if they insist but most suppliers are more comfortable selling >> smaller >> >> > > quantities. >> >> > > HELP!!! >> >> > > BOB >> >> >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature >> database 9334 (20140124) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature >> database 9334 (20140124) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From emanphoto at gmail.com Sun Jan 26 14:06:29 2014 From: emanphoto at gmail.com (Eric Nelson) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:06:29 +0700 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: SUPPLIER OF UN??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8DD3AE52-9B18-431C-9641-8F81678220F2@gmail.com> My dad used to test uranium this way for Mallinkrodt Chemical many years ago and he's still around and kicking. He did say it was an unpleasant process. e On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:01 PM, "bobkiss @caribsurf.com" wrote: > DEAR PETER, > Like you, I am just not suicidal enough to play with uranium in any > form but manufactured uranyl nitrate made from depleted uranium. I will > leave that to the real pros. > Some of the references received from other list members seem to be > promising. > CHEERS! > BOB > > > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Peter Friedrichsen < > pfriedrichsen at sympatico.ca> wrote: > >> Uraninite mineral specimens are available. A last resort could be the >> dissolution of uraninite in nitric acid. A test for Uraninite is done by >> placing a drop of nitric acid on the specimen leaving a bright green >> yellow deposit of uranyl nitrate. I suspect other impurities may come along >> for the ride unless you can get some pretty good crystals,even then!. You >> would have to investigate the risks of any byproducts from this reaction. >> Not for me! >> >> Peter Friedrichsen >> >> >> >> At 01:09 PM 24/01/2014, you wrote: >> >>> DEAR JACQUES & ERIC, >>> >>> Thanks for your suggestions! I will research them. >>> >>> CHEERS! >>> >>> BOB >>> >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org >>> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf >>> Of >>> Jacques Kevers >>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 1:06 PM >>> To: The alternative photographic processes mailing list >>> Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: SUPPLIER OF UN??? >>> >>> >>> >>> Bob, >>> Not sure whether this one might help: they obviously have it in their >>> inventory, but it seems to be out of stock. >>> Temporarily or permanently? You might ask. >>> http://www.2spi.com/catalog/chem/Uranyl_Nitrate.shtml >>> >>> Best, >>> Jacques >>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:02 PM, bobkiss @caribsurf.com < >>>>>> bobkiss at caribsurf.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> DEAR LIST, >>>>>>> I spend months experimenting with uranotype printing but, no >>>>> sooner >>>>>>> did I present the how-to video to APIS than the regulations for >>>>> shipping >>>>>>> uranyl nitrate changed and I can't seem to find a supplier. Only >>>>> thing I >>>>>>> see on e-bay is one gram "collectible samples" when I bought two >>> 10g >>>>>>> batches from e-bay over the last year. >>>>>>> Does ANYONE know of a supplier of UN that would sell me small >>>>>>> quantities? I talking about 10g at a time. I would buy larger >>>>>> quantities >>>>>>> if they insist but most suppliers are more comfortable selling >>> smaller >>>>>>> quantities. >>>>>>> HELP!!! >>>>>>> BOB >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 9334 (20140124) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 9334 (20140124) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From carol at artintersection.com Sun Jan 26 15:53:42 2014 From: carol at artintersection.com (carol) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 08:53:42 -0700 Subject: [Alt-photo] Italy Workshop in Benabbio, Italy, June 10-20, 2014 In-Reply-To: <8DD3AE52-9B18-431C-9641-8F81678220F2@gmail.com> References: <8DD3AE52-9B18-431C-9641-8F81678220F2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52E52F86.5080401@artintersection.com> Hello Everyone, If you are looking for an adventure this summer, please consider joining us in the hills of Tuscany. Pinhole and alt process printing is included in the workshop. Details below- Warmest regards, Carol Panaro-Smith The Italy Workshop at Villa San Rocco 2014 SUMMER: June 10-20, 2014 If you would like to live a more inspired and artful life by revitalizing that creative well that is deep within each of us -- then this workshop is for you.Join James Hajicek and Carol Panaro-Smith , along with Guest Artist Mary Kay Zeeb , for a ten-day workshop in the rural hills of Tuscany above the old Roman spa town of Bagni di Lucca. There is no better place to understand the art of living creatively than at Villa San Rocco, http://sanroccobenabbio.com/en/, a 10-bedroom Baroque villa, with an adjoining late-medieval wing and adjacent chapel, situated at the top of Benabbio, a beautiful and secluded village in the Garfagnana region with a rich cultural history dating back to medieval times. The workshop involves experiences with photography, bookmaking/mixed media, creative writing, and yoga -- all presented in an interdisciplinary approach that is aimed at integration and is appropriate to individuals at any level of previous experience. All this is combined with home-cooked Italian food that will be communally prepared and enjoyed amidst lively conversation at a communal table. The cost of the workshop is $3,175.00 and includes all workshop fees & materials, housing, meals, and local transportation. http://artintersection.com/event/the-italy-workshop-2014/ For more information contact: carol at artintersection.com From pfriedrichsen at sympatico.ca Mon Jan 27 14:01:36 2014 From: pfriedrichsen at sympatico.ca (Peter Friedrichsen) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 09:01:36 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Mike Ware's updated e-book on the cyanotype process available for download Message-ID: Dear Alt -photo, Recently I was conversing via email with Dr. Mike Ware re, the cyanotype process. He mention that he would be releasing an update to his book: Cyanotype: The History, Science and Art of Photographic Printing in Prussian Blue which is out of print but still viewable in parts through Google Books. With permission, I have copied his note containing the included link to the now freely downloadable updated version. Peter Friedrichsen =========================== Greetings Friends, The first monograph on Cyanotype was published by the Science Museum of London in 1999, but has long been totally out of print, and only accessible as a digitized part-version online at Google Books. My book was devoted to the study of photographic printing in Prussian blue, engaging with its history, aesthetics, practice, conservation and chemistry. Now, in response to kind requests, I have substantially restructured this text in a revised and extended edition that I intend to make freely available as a download from the World Wide Web as a 5.3 MB pdf: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47727259/Cyanomicon.pdf For the time being, it will remain largely unillustrated. With its 700+ references to the literature and the WWW, my hope is that it may occasionally serve as a useful resource for historians, curators and conservators of photographs, and for students of iron-based analogue imaging (siderotype) - should any of these good folk ever find themselves as castaways upon the strange blue shores of cyanotype. For those other shipwrecked mariners - photographic artists exploring cyanotype printmaking as an expressive medium - I have included full practical instruction in the modern process. With all good wishes for 2014, Mike ========================== From bobkiss at caribsurf.com Mon Jan 27 18:07:06 2014 From: bobkiss at caribsurf.com (BOB KISS) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:07:06 -0400 Subject: [Alt-photo] DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION Message-ID: DEAR LIST, For those of us who print diginegs using Dan Burkholder?s templates, please help me with the following question. As his system has the printer use the matte black (instead of the photo black) pigments, does the printer still use the K LK and LLK printer heads when printing with the matte black or does the printer only use the matte black? The reason I ask is that the K head has suddenly stopped printing and I must print two diginegs. If I force clean the printer I will waste tons of other pigments. If I don?t need the K head to work for the diginegs, then I can print them as per Dan?s system using the matte black and worry about cleaning that PK head later. CHEERS! BOB Please check my website: http://www.bobkiss.com/ "Live as if you are going to die tomorrow. Learn as if you are going to live forever". Mahatma Gandhi "Earth" without "art" is just "Eh"! (Anonymous graffiti posted on Facebook) ?Madonne e fiori, trionfo eterno di giovent?!? from Mattinata Fiorentina by Antonella Ruggiero __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9343 (20140127) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From christnze at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 19:14:15 2014 From: christnze at gmail.com (Christian Nze) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:14:15 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pk and MK head is the same on 3800 2014-01-27 BOB KISS > DEAR LIST, > > For those of us who print diginegs using Dan Burkholder?s > templates, please help me with the following question. > > As his system has the printer use the matte black (instead of > the photo black) pigments, does the printer still use the K LK and LLK > printer heads when printing with the matte black or does the printer only > use the matte black? > > The reason I ask is that the K head has suddenly stopped > printing and I must print two diginegs. If I force clean the printer I > will > waste tons of other pigments. If I don?t need the K head to work for the > diginegs, then I can print them as per Dan?s system using the matte black > and worry about cleaning that PK head later. > > CHEERS! > > BOB > > > > Please check my website: > http://www.bobkiss.com/ > > > > > "Live as if you are going to die tomorrow. Learn as if you are going to > live forever". Mahatma Gandhi > > > > "Earth" without "art" is just "Eh"! (Anonymous graffiti posted on > Facebook) > > > > ?Madonne e fiori, trionfo eterno di giovent?!? from Mattinata Fiorentina > by > Antonella Ruggiero > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 9343 (20140127) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From bobkiss at caribsurf.com Mon Jan 27 19:20:21 2014 From: bobkiss at caribsurf.com (BOB KISS) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:20:21 -0400 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks! _____ From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of Christian Nze Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 3:14 PM To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION Pk and MK head is the same on 3800 2014-01-27 BOB KISS > DEAR LIST, > > For those of us who print diginegs using Dan Burkholder?s > templates, please help me with the following question. > > As his system has the printer use the matte black (instead of > the photo black) pigments, does the printer still use the K LK and LLK > printer heads when printing with the matte black or does the printer only > use the matte black? > > The reason I ask is that the K head has suddenly stopped > printing and I must print two diginegs. If I force clean the printer I > will > waste tons of other pigments. If I don?t need the K head to work for the > diginegs, then I can print them as per Dan?s system using the matte black > and worry about cleaning that PK head later. > > CHEERS! > > BOB > > > > Please check my website: > http://www.bobkiss.com/ > > > > > "Live as if you are going to die tomorrow. Learn as if you are going to > live forever". Mahatma Gandhi > > > > "Earth" without "art" is just "Eh"! (Anonymous graffiti posted on > Facebook) > > > > ?Madonne e fiori, trionfo eterno di giovent?!? from Mattinata Fiorentina > by > Antonella Ruggiero > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 9343 (20140127) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > _______________________________________________ Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9343 (20140127) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9343 (20140127) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From alt.photosbyjeremy at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 20:12:25 2014 From: alt.photosbyjeremy at gmail.com (Jeremy Moore) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:12:25 -0600 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A0FFEBD-96FE-432A-B3B1-8D161C69F6E2@gmail.com> Bob, Before doing a power cleaning just print a large block of pure black. This will often fix a clog without needing to waste any of the other colors like a power cleaning. This works for every color, though I don't remember the RGB numbers for the other colors off the top of my head black is an easy one :) Just fill a rectangle with pure black in Photoshop and print it on a sheet of cheap paper. I like to make a long rectangle that's on the edge of an 8.5x11" page. This way I can just turn the page around and run it back through if I need to do it again. Never needed to do it more than twice so far (knock on wood). - Jeremy Sent from a mobile device. > On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:07 PM, "BOB KISS" wrote: > > DEAR LIST, > > For those of us who print diginegs using Dan Burkholder?s > templates, please help me with the following question. > > As his system has the printer use the matte black (instead of > the photo black) pigments, does the printer still use the K LK and LLK > printer heads when printing with the matte black or does the printer only > use the matte black? > > The reason I ask is that the K head has suddenly stopped > printing and I must print two diginegs. If I force clean the printer I will > waste tons of other pigments. If I don?t need the K head to work for the > diginegs, then I can print them as per Dan?s system using the matte black > and worry about cleaning that PK head later. > > CHEERS! > > BOB > > > > Please check my website: http://www.bobkiss.com/ > > > > > "Live as if you are going to die tomorrow. Learn as if you are going to > live forever". Mahatma Gandhi > > > > "Earth" without "art" is just "Eh"! (Anonymous graffiti posted on Facebook) > > > > ?Madonne e fiori, trionfo eterno di giovent?!? from Mattinata Fiorentina by > Antonella Ruggiero > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 9343 (20140127) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From mjkoskin at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 20:35:42 2014 From: mjkoskin at gmail.com (Matti Koskinen) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:35:42 +0200 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Mike Ware's updated e-book on the cyanotype process available for download In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52E6C31E.2000903@gmail.com> On 27.1.2014 16:01, Peter Friedrichsen wrote: > Dear Alt -photo, > > Recently I was conversing via email with Dr. Mike Ware re, the > cyanotype process. He mention that he would be releasing an update to > his book: > Cyanotype: The History, Science and Art of Photographic Printing in > Prussian Blue which is out of print but still viewable in parts > through Google Books. With permission, I have copied his note > containing the included link to the now freely downloadable updated > version. > > Peter Friedrichsen > =========================== Dear Peter, Thanks! Made finally my day after fighting all day with these #&%?#! computers. This book is a real gem. And if Dr. Mike Ware is on this list, many many thanks to him making it available. -m From fernandocruzf at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 22:20:06 2014 From: fernandocruzf at gmail.com (Fernando Cruz) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:20:06 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Mike Ware's updated e-book on the cyanotype process available for download In-Reply-To: <52E6C31E.2000903@gmail.com> References: <52E6C31E.2000903@gmail.com> Message-ID: Muchas gracias, este es un excelente libro Un abrazo Fernando Cruz 57 1 3108686025 www.fotografiacolombiana.com -----Original Message----- From: Matti Koskinen To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org Sent: lun, 27 ene 2014 3:35 PM Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Mike Ware's updated e-book on the cyanotype process available for download On 27.1.2014 16:01, Peter Friedrichsen wrote: > Dear Alt -photo, > > Recently I was conversing via email with Dr. Mike Ware re, the > cyanotype process. He mention that he would be releasing an update to > his book: > Cyanotype: The History, Science and Art of Photographic Printing in > Prussian Blue which is out of print but still viewable in parts > through Google Books. With permission, I have copied his note > containing the included link to the now freely downloadable updated > version. > > Peter Friedrichsen > =========================== Dear Peter, Thanks! Made finally my day after fighting all day with these #&%?#! computers. This book is a real gem. And if Dr. Mike Ware is on this list, many many thanks to him making it available. -m _______________________________________________ Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From fernandocruzf at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 22:28:32 2014 From: fernandocruzf at gmail.com (Fernando Cruz) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:28:32 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Mike Ware's updated e-book on the cyanotype process available for download In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8f09136d-01e5-4fd7-afbd-d2fcc47a7b84.maildroid@localhost> Excelente actualizaci?n, mis alumnos la aprovechar?n Muchas gracias Fernando Cruz 57 1 3108686025 www.fotografiacolombiana.com -----Original Message----- From: Peter Friedrichsen To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org Sent: lun, 27 ene 2014 9:01 AM Subject: [Alt-photo] Mike Ware's updated e-book on the cyanotype process available for download Dear Alt -photo, Recently I was conversing via email with Dr. Mike Ware re, the cyanotype process. He mention that he would be releasing an update to his book: Cyanotype: The History, Science and Art of Photographic Printing in Prussian Blue which is out of print but still viewable in parts through Google Books. With permission, I have copied his note containing the included link to the now freely downloadable updated version. Peter Friedrichsen =========================== Greetings Friends, The first monograph on Cyanotype was published by the Science Museum of London in 1999, but has long been totally out of print, and only accessible as a digitized part-version online at Google Books. My book was devoted to the study of photographic printing in Prussian blue, engaging with its history, aesthetics, practice, conservation and chemistry. Now, in response to kind requests, I have substantially restructured this text in a revised and extended edition that I intend to make freely available as a download from the World Wide Web as a 5.3 MB pdf: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47727259/Cyanomicon.pdf For the time being, it will remain largely unillustrated. With its 700+ references to the literature and the WWW, my hope is that it may occasionally serve as a useful resource for historians, curators and conservators of photographs, and for students of iron-based analogue imaging (siderotype) - should any of these good folk ever find themselves as castaways upon the strange blue shores of cyanotype. For those other shipwrecked mariners - photographic artists exploring cyanotype printmaking as an expressive medium - I have included full practical instruction in the modern process. With all good wishes for 2014, Mike ========================== _______________________________________________ Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From jon at sharperstill.com Mon Jan 27 23:21:00 2014 From: jon at sharperstill.com (Jon Reid) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:21:00 +1100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Mike Ware's updated e-book on the cyanotype process available for download In-Reply-To: <52E6C31E.2000903@gmail.com> References: <52E6C31E.2000903@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hope I'm not missing something obvious but I can't find the link to Dr Ware's book that is mentioned? Jon On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Matti Koskinen wrote: > On 27.1.2014 16:01, Peter Friedrichsen wrote: > >> Dear Alt -photo, >> >> Recently I was conversing via email with Dr. Mike Ware re, the cyanotype >> process. He mention that he would be releasing an update to his book: >> Cyanotype: The History, Science and Art of Photographic Printing in >> Prussian Blue which is out of print but still viewable in parts through >> Google Books. With permission, I have copied his note containing the >> included link to the now freely downloadable updated version. >> >> Peter Friedrichsen >> =========================== >> > Dear Peter, > > Thanks! Made finally my day after fighting all day with these #&%?#! > computers. This book is a real gem. And if Dr. Mike Ware is on this list, > many many thanks to him making it available. > > -m > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From jon at sharperstill.com Mon Jan 27 23:23:28 2014 From: jon at sharperstill.com (Jon Reid) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:23:28 +1100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Mike Ware's updated e-book on the cyanotype process available for download In-Reply-To: References: <52E6C31E.2000903@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry, it was in my spam folder. Disregard previous email. Jon On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Jon Reid wrote: > Hope I'm not missing something obvious but I can't find the link to Dr > Ware's book that is mentioned? > > Jon > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Matti Koskinen wrote: > >> On 27.1.2014 16:01, Peter Friedrichsen wrote: >> >>> Dear Alt -photo, >>> >>> Recently I was conversing via email with Dr. Mike Ware re, the cyanotype >>> process. He mention that he would be releasing an update to his book: >>> Cyanotype: The History, Science and Art of Photographic Printing in >>> Prussian Blue which is out of print but still viewable in parts through >>> Google Books. With permission, I have copied his note containing the >>> included link to the now freely downloadable updated version. >>> >>> Peter Friedrichsen >>> =========================== >>> >> Dear Peter, >> >> Thanks! Made finally my day after fighting all day with these #&%?#! >> computers. This book is a real gem. And if Dr. Mike Ware is on this list, >> many many thanks to him making it available. >> >> -m >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> > > From bobkiss at caribsurf.com Tue Jan 28 14:26:16 2014 From: bobkiss at caribsurf.com (BOB KISS) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:26:16 -0400 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION In-Reply-To: <5A0FFEBD-96FE-432A-B3B1-8D161C69F6E2@gmail.com> References: <5A0FFEBD-96FE-432A-B3B1-8D161C69F6E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: DEAR JEREMY, I prayed that your method would work but, after 5 attempts, I am still getting a midtone gray rectangle which means that the LK and LLK are printing but not the PK/MK head. Any other ideas? Living here in Barbados we have lovely weather but getting things repaired, shipping things in and out for factory service, and getting parts is a nightmare. CHEERS! BOB _____ From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Moore Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 4:12 PM To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION Bob, Before doing a power cleaning just print a large block of pure black. This will often fix a clog without needing to waste any of the other colors like a power cleaning. This works for every color, though I don't remember the RGB numbers for the other colors off the top of my head black is an easy one :) Just fill a rectangle with pure black in Photoshop and print it on a sheet of cheap paper. I like to make a long rectangle that's on the edge of an 8.5x11" page. This way I can just turn the page around and run it back through if I need to do it again. Never needed to do it more than twice so far (knock on wood). - Jeremy Sent from a mobile device. > On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:07 PM, "BOB KISS" wrote: > > DEAR LIST, > > For those of us who print diginegs using Dan Burkholder?s > templates, please help me with the following question. > > As his system has the printer use the matte black (instead of > the photo black) pigments, does the printer still use the K LK and LLK > printer heads when printing with the matte black or does the printer only > use the matte black? > > The reason I ask is that the K head has suddenly stopped > printing and I must print two diginegs. If I force clean the printer I will > waste tons of other pigments. If I don?t need the K head to work for the > diginegs, then I can print them as per Dan?s system using the matte black > and worry about cleaning that PK head later. > > CHEERS! > > BOB > > > > Please check my website: http://www.bobkiss.com/ > > > > > "Live as if you are going to die tomorrow. Learn as if you are going to > live forever". Mahatma Gandhi > > > > "Earth" without "art" is just "Eh"! (Anonymous graffiti posted on Facebook) > > > > ?Madonne e fiori, trionfo eterno di giovent?!? from Mattinata Fiorentina by > Antonella Ruggiero > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 9343 (20140127) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org _______________________________________________ Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9347 (20140128) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9347 (20140128) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From jorj at jorj.org Tue Jan 28 14:43:30 2014 From: jorj at jorj.org (Jorj Bauer) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:43:30 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION In-Reply-To: References: <5A0FFEBD-96FE-432A-B3B1-8D161C69F6E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CCBEF02-B68A-4A5D-8E25-2D47B89D280D@jorj.org> Maybe this will help you, Bob. Dilute grocery-store ammonia 1:10 with distilled water; wet (not soak) a paper towel with it and fold it in half. Power down the printer. Put the paper towel on the print surface, unlock and slide the print head over the paper towel, and leave it for a few hours. Clean up carefully and repeat your printing experiment. I do this occasionally to clear stubborn nozzles on my Stylus Pro 4000. The vapors from the ammonia seem to do the trick. -- Jorj On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:26 AM, "BOB KISS" wrote: > DEAR JEREMY, > > I prayed that your method would work but, after 5 attempts, I am > still getting a midtone gray rectangle which means that the LK and LLK are > printing but not the PK/MK head. > > Any other ideas? Living here in Barbados we have lovely weather > but getting things repaired, shipping things in and out for factory service, > and getting parts is a nightmare. > > CHEERS! > > BOB > > > > _____ > > From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org > [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of > Jeremy Moore > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 4:12 PM > To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org > Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION > > > > Bob, > > Before doing a power cleaning just print a large block of pure black. This > will often fix a clog without needing to waste any of the other colors like > a power cleaning. This works for every color, though I don't remember the > RGB numbers for the other colors off the top of my head black is an easy one > :) > > Just fill a rectangle with pure black in Photoshop and print it on a sheet > of cheap paper. I like to make a long rectangle that's on the edge of an > 8.5x11" page. This way I can just turn the page around and run it back > through if I need to do it again. Never needed to do it more than twice so > far (knock on wood). > > - Jeremy > > Sent from a mobile device. > >> On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:07 PM, "BOB KISS" wrote: >> >> DEAR LIST, >> >> For those of us who print diginegs using Dan Burkholder?s >> templates, please help me with the following question. >> >> As his system has the printer use the matte black (instead of >> the photo black) pigments, does the printer still use the K LK and LLK >> printer heads when printing with the matte black or does the printer only >> use the matte black? >> >> The reason I ask is that the K head has suddenly stopped >> printing and I must print two diginegs. If I force clean the printer I > will >> waste tons of other pigments. If I don?t need the K head to work for the >> diginegs, then I can print them as per Dan?s system using the matte black >> and worry about cleaning that PK head later. >> >> CHEERS! >> >> BOB >> >> >> >> Please check my website: > http://www.bobkiss.com/ >> >> >> >> >> "Live as if you are going to die tomorrow. Learn as if you are going to >> live forever". Mahatma Gandhi >> >> >> >> "Earth" without "art" is just "Eh"! (Anonymous graffiti posted on > Facebook) >> >> >> >> ?Madonne e fiori, trionfo eterno di giovent?!? from Mattinata Fiorentina > by >> Antonella Ruggiero >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature >> database 9343 (20140127) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 9347 (20140128) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 9347 (20140128) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From bobkiss at caribsurf.com Tue Jan 28 15:07:02 2014 From: bobkiss at caribsurf.com (BOB KISS) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 11:07:02 -0400 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION In-Reply-To: <8CCBEF02-B68A-4A5D-8E25-2D47B89D280D@jorj.org> References: <5A0FFEBD-96FE-432A-B3B1-8D161C69F6E2@gmail.com> <8CCBEF02-B68A-4A5D-8E25-2D47B89D280D@jorj.org> Message-ID: DEAR JORJ, How do I ?unlock? the printer head? Thanks for your suggestion. Looking forward to trying it. CHEERS! BOB _____ From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of Jorj Bauer Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:44 AM To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION Maybe this will help you, Bob. Dilute grocery-store ammonia 1:10 with distilled water; wet (not soak) a paper towel with it and fold it in half. Power down the printer. Put the paper towel on the print surface, unlock and slide the print head over the paper towel, and leave it for a few hours. Clean up carefully and repeat your printing experiment. I do this occasionally to clear stubborn nozzles on my Stylus Pro 4000. The vapors from the ammonia seem to do the trick. -- Jorj On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:26 AM, "BOB KISS" wrote: > DEAR JEREMY, > > I prayed that your method would work but, after 5 attempts, I am > still getting a midtone gray rectangle which means that the LK and LLK are > printing but not the PK/MK head. > > Any other ideas? Living here in Barbados we have lovely weather > but getting things repaired, shipping things in and out for factory service, > and getting parts is a nightmare. > > CHEERS! > > BOB > > > > _____ > > From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org > [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of > Jeremy Moore > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 4:12 PM > To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org > Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION > > > > Bob, > > Before doing a power cleaning just print a large block of pure black. This > will often fix a clog without needing to waste any of the other colors like > a power cleaning. This works for every color, though I don't remember the > RGB numbers for the other colors off the top of my head black is an easy one > :) > > Just fill a rectangle with pure black in Photoshop and print it on a sheet > of cheap paper. I like to make a long rectangle that's on the edge of an > 8.5x11" page. This way I can just turn the page around and run it back > through if I need to do it again. Never needed to do it more than twice so > far (knock on wood). > > - Jeremy > > Sent from a mobile device. > >> On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:07 PM, "BOB KISS" wrote: >> >> DEAR LIST, >> >> For those of us who print diginegs using Dan Burkholder?s >> templates, please help me with the following question. >> >> As his system has the printer use the matte black (instead of >> the photo black) pigments, does the printer still use the K LK and LLK >> printer heads when printing with the matte black or does the printer only >> use the matte black? >> >> The reason I ask is that the K head has suddenly stopped >> printing and I must print two diginegs. If I force clean the printer I > will >> waste tons of other pigments. If I don?t need the K head to work for the >> diginegs, then I can print them as per Dan?s system using the matte black >> and worry about cleaning that PK head later. >> >> CHEERS! >> >> BOB >> >> >> >> Please check my website: > http://www.bobkiss.com/ >> >> >> >> >> "Live as if you are going to die tomorrow. Learn as if you are going to >> live forever". Mahatma Gandhi >> >> >> >> "Earth" without "art" is just "Eh"! (Anonymous graffiti posted on > Facebook) >> >> >> >> ?Madonne e fiori, trionfo eterno di giovent?!? from Mattinata Fiorentina > by >> Antonella Ruggiero >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature >> database 9343 (20140127) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 9347 (20140128) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 9347 (20140128) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org _______________________________________________ Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9347 (20140128) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9347 (20140128) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From jorj at jorj.org Tue Jan 28 16:01:38 2014 From: jorj at jorj.org (Jorj Bauer) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 11:01:38 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION In-Reply-To: References: <5A0FFEBD-96FE-432A-B3B1-8D161C69F6E2@gmail.com> <8CCBEF02-B68A-4A5D-8E25-2D47B89D280D@jorj.org> Message-ID: <1636316D-65A3-4489-A935-9510AFD66E8C@jorj.org> Bob, On the 4000, there's a manual release to let the head slide. I don't know if the 3800 has one, or if you can slide it freely with the power off. (That's all the unlocking is for; sliding the print head.) Good luck! -- Jorj On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:07 AM, "BOB KISS" wrote: > DEAR JORJ, > > How do I ?unlock? the printer head? > > Thanks for your suggestion. Looking forward to trying it. > > CHEERS! > > BOB > > > > _____ > > From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org > [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of > Jorj Bauer > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:44 AM > To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org > Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION > > > > Maybe this will help you, Bob. > > Dilute grocery-store ammonia 1:10 with distilled water; wet (not soak) a > paper towel with it and fold it in half. Power down the printer. Put the > paper towel on the print surface, unlock and slide the print head over the > paper towel, and leave it for a few hours. > > Clean up carefully and repeat your printing experiment. > > I do this occasionally to clear stubborn nozzles on my Stylus Pro 4000. The > vapors from the ammonia seem to do the trick. > > -- Jorj > > > On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:26 AM, "BOB KISS" wrote: > >> DEAR JEREMY, >> >> I prayed that your method would work but, after 5 attempts, I > am >> still getting a midtone gray rectangle which means that the LK and LLK are >> printing but not the PK/MK head. >> >> Any other ideas? Living here in Barbados we have lovely > weather >> but getting things repaired, shipping things in and out for factory > service, >> and getting parts is a nightmare. >> >> CHEERS! >> >> BOB >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org >> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf > Of >> Jeremy Moore >> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 4:12 PM >> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org >> Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION >> >> >> >> Bob, >> >> Before doing a power cleaning just print a large block of pure black. This >> will often fix a clog without needing to waste any of the other colors > like >> a power cleaning. This works for every color, though I don't remember the >> RGB numbers for the other colors off the top of my head black is an easy > one >> :) >> >> Just fill a rectangle with pure black in Photoshop and print it on a sheet >> of cheap paper. I like to make a long rectangle that's on the edge of an >> 8.5x11" page. This way I can just turn the page around and run it back >> through if I need to do it again. Never needed to do it more than twice so >> far (knock on wood). >> >> - Jeremy >> >> Sent from a mobile device. >> >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:07 PM, "BOB KISS" wrote: >>> >>> DEAR LIST, >>> >>> For those of us who print diginegs using Dan Burkholder?s >>> templates, please help me with the following question. >>> >>> As his system has the printer use the matte black (instead of >>> the photo black) pigments, does the printer still use the K LK and LLK >>> printer heads when printing with the matte black or does the printer only >>> use the matte black? >>> >>> The reason I ask is that the K head has suddenly stopped >>> printing and I must print two diginegs. If I force clean the printer I >> will >>> waste tons of other pigments. If I don?t need the K head to work for the >>> diginegs, then I can print them as per Dan?s system using the matte black >>> and worry about cleaning that PK head later. >>> >>> CHEERS! >>> >>> BOB >>> >>> >>> >>> Please check my website: >> http://www.bobkiss.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Live as if you are going to die tomorrow. Learn as if you are going to >>> live forever". Mahatma Gandhi >>> >>> >>> >>> "Earth" without "art" is just "Eh"! (Anonymous graffiti posted on >> Facebook) >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Madonne e fiori, trionfo eterno di giovent?!? from Mattinata Fiorentina >> by >>> Antonella Ruggiero >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature >>> database 9343 (20140127) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature >> database 9347 (20140128) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature >> database 9347 (20140128) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 9347 (20140128) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 9347 (20140128) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From marekmatusz at hotmail.com Tue Jan 28 16:32:31 2014 From: marekmatusz at hotmail.com (Marek Matusz) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:32:31 -0700 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION In-Reply-To: <1636316D-65A3-4489-A935-9510AFD66E8C@jorj.org> References: <5A0FFEBD-96FE-432A-B3B1-8D161C69F6E2@gmail.com> <8CCBEF02-B68A-4A5D-8E25-2D47B89D280D@jorj.org> <1636316D-65A3-4489-A935-9510AFD66E8C@jorj.org> Message-ID: Bob Another option is to switch to qtr rip where you actually tell the printer ink density and actual color head that you wNt to use. Most people print with pl and yellow. I actually use that combo for all my alt negatives and just change ink density. Marek Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:01 AM, "Jorj Bauer" wrote: > > Bob, > > On the 4000, there's a manual release to let the head slide. I don't know if the 3800 has one, or if you can slide it freely with the power off. (That's all the unlocking is for; sliding the print head.) > > Good luck! > > -- Jorj > > > >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:07 AM, "BOB KISS" wrote: >> >> DEAR JORJ, >> >> How do I ?unlock? the printer head? >> >> Thanks for your suggestion. Looking forward to trying it. >> >> CHEERS! >> >> BOB >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org >> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of >> Jorj Bauer >> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:44 AM >> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org >> Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION >> >> >> >> Maybe this will help you, Bob. >> >> Dilute grocery-store ammonia 1:10 with distilled water; wet (not soak) a >> paper towel with it and fold it in half. Power down the printer. Put the >> paper towel on the print surface, unlock and slide the print head over the >> paper towel, and leave it for a few hours. >> >> Clean up carefully and repeat your printing experiment. >> >> I do this occasionally to clear stubborn nozzles on my Stylus Pro 4000. The >> vapors from the ammonia seem to do the trick. >> >> -- Jorj >> >> >>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:26 AM, "BOB KISS" wrote: >>> >>> DEAR JEREMY, >>> >>> I prayed that your method would work but, after 5 attempts, I >> am >>> still getting a midtone gray rectangle which means that the LK and LLK are >>> printing but not the PK/MK head. >>> >>> Any other ideas? Living here in Barbados we have lovely >> weather >>> but getting things repaired, shipping things in and out for factory >> service, >>> and getting parts is a nightmare. >>> >>> CHEERS! >>> >>> BOB >>> >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org >>> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf >> Of >>> Jeremy Moore >>> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 4:12 PM >>> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org >>> Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION >>> >>> >>> >>> Bob, >>> >>> Before doing a power cleaning just print a large block of pure black. This >>> will often fix a clog without needing to waste any of the other colors >> like >>> a power cleaning. This works for every color, though I don't remember the >>> RGB numbers for the other colors off the top of my head black is an easy >> one >>> :) >>> >>> Just fill a rectangle with pure black in Photoshop and print it on a sheet >>> of cheap paper. I like to make a long rectangle that's on the edge of an >>> 8.5x11" page. This way I can just turn the page around and run it back >>> through if I need to do it again. Never needed to do it more than twice so >>> far (knock on wood). >>> >>> - Jeremy >>> >>> Sent from a mobile device. >>> >>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:07 PM, "BOB KISS" wrote: >>>> >>>> DEAR LIST, >>>> >>>> For those of us who print diginegs using Dan Burkholder?s >>>> templates, please help me with the following question. >>>> >>>> As his system has the printer use the matte black (instead of >>>> the photo black) pigments, does the printer still use the K LK and LLK >>>> printer heads when printing with the matte black or does the printer only >>>> use the matte black? >>>> >>>> The reason I ask is that the K head has suddenly stopped >>>> printing and I must print two diginegs. If I force clean the printer I >>> will >>>> waste tons of other pigments. If I don?t need the K head to work for the >>>> diginegs, then I can print them as per Dan?s system using the matte black >>>> and worry about cleaning that PK head later. >>>> >>>> CHEERS! >>>> >>>> BOB >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Please check my website: >>> http://www.bobkiss.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Live as if you are going to die tomorrow. Learn as if you are going to >>>> live forever". Mahatma Gandhi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Earth" without "art" is just "Eh"! (Anonymous graffiti posted on >>> Facebook) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ?Madonne e fiori, trionfo eterno di giovent?!? from Mattinata Fiorentina >>> by >>>> Antonella Ruggiero >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>> signature >>>> database 9343 (20140127) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature >>> database 9347 (20140128) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature >>> database 9347 (20140128) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 9347 (20140128) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 9347 (20140128) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From alt.photosbyjeremy at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 18:26:06 2014 From: alt.photosbyjeremy at gmail.com (Jeremy Moore) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:26:06 -0600 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION In-Reply-To: References: <5A0FFEBD-96FE-432A-B3B1-8D161C69F6E2@gmail.com> <8CCBEF02-B68A-4A5D-8E25-2D47B89D280D@jorj.org> Message-ID: <660F43B2-E879-43FD-9DDA-27442283E841@gmail.com> On my old 2200 the method was: turn the printer on. While the head is in the middle moving back and forth during the warm up routine, turn it off. The head should slide freely. Sent from a mobile device. > On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:07 AM, "BOB KISS" wrote: > > DEAR JORJ, > > How do I ?unlock? the printer head? > > Thanks for your suggestion. Looking forward to trying it. > > CHEERS! > > BOB > > > > _____ > > From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org > [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of > Jorj Bauer > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:44 AM > To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org > Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION > > > > Maybe this will help you, Bob. > > Dilute grocery-store ammonia 1:10 with distilled water; wet (not soak) a > paper towel with it and fold it in half. Power down the printer. Put the > paper towel on the print surface, unlock and slide the print head over the > paper towel, and leave it for a few hours. > > Clean up carefully and repeat your printing experiment. > > I do this occasionally to clear stubborn nozzles on my Stylus Pro 4000. The > vapors from the ammonia seem to do the trick. > > -- Jorj > > >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:26 AM, "BOB KISS" wrote: >> >> DEAR JEREMY, >> >> I prayed that your method would work but, after 5 attempts, I > am >> still getting a midtone gray rectangle which means that the LK and LLK are >> printing but not the PK/MK head. >> >> Any other ideas? Living here in Barbados we have lovely > weather >> but getting things repaired, shipping things in and out for factory > service, >> and getting parts is a nightmare. >> >> CHEERS! >> >> BOB >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org >> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf > Of >> Jeremy Moore >> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 4:12 PM >> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org >> Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION >> >> >> >> Bob, >> >> Before doing a power cleaning just print a large block of pure black. This >> will often fix a clog without needing to waste any of the other colors > like >> a power cleaning. This works for every color, though I don't remember the >> RGB numbers for the other colors off the top of my head black is an easy > one >> :) >> >> Just fill a rectangle with pure black in Photoshop and print it on a sheet >> of cheap paper. I like to make a long rectangle that's on the edge of an >> 8.5x11" page. This way I can just turn the page around and run it back >> through if I need to do it again. Never needed to do it more than twice so >> far (knock on wood). >> >> - Jeremy >> >> Sent from a mobile device. >> >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:07 PM, "BOB KISS" wrote: >>> >>> DEAR LIST, >>> >>> For those of us who print diginegs using Dan Burkholder?s >>> templates, please help me with the following question. >>> >>> As his system has the printer use the matte black (instead of >>> the photo black) pigments, does the printer still use the K LK and LLK >>> printer heads when printing with the matte black or does the printer only >>> use the matte black? >>> >>> The reason I ask is that the K head has suddenly stopped >>> printing and I must print two diginegs. If I force clean the printer I >> will >>> waste tons of other pigments. If I don?t need the K head to work for the >>> diginegs, then I can print them as per Dan?s system using the matte black >>> and worry about cleaning that PK head later. >>> >>> CHEERS! >>> >>> BOB >>> >>> >>> >>> Please check my website: >> http://www.bobkiss.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Live as if you are going to die tomorrow. Learn as if you are going to >>> live forever". Mahatma Gandhi >>> >>> >>> >>> "Earth" without "art" is just "Eh"! (Anonymous graffiti posted on >> Facebook) >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Madonne e fiori, trionfo eterno di giovent?!? from Mattinata Fiorentina >> by >>> Antonella Ruggiero >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature >>> database 9343 (20140127) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature >> database 9347 (20140128) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature >> database 9347 (20140128) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 9347 (20140128) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 9347 (20140128) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From keith at jkschreiber.com Tue Jan 28 19:24:43 2014 From: keith at jkschreiber.com (Keith Schreiber) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:24:43 -0700 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION In-Reply-To: References: <5A0FFEBD-96FE-432A-B3B1-8D161C69F6E2@gmail.com> <8CCBEF02-B68A-4A5D-8E25-2D47B89D280D@jorj.org> Message-ID: Hi Bob, If the printer is on, first turn it off. Then turn it on again and when the head moves to the left - away from the parked position - pull the plug. Just turning it off won't work because it will go thru the shut-down routine and the head will return to the parked position. Unlike the 4xxx/7xxx/9xxx series, there is no manual way to release the head without disassembling the case. BTW, for the sake of clarity, it probably makes more sense to refer the K CHANNEL rather than HEAD, because the printer has only one head with 8 channels, not 8 (or 9 if you count both blacks) heads. MK and PK share a channel by way of a "switch" in the damper assembly. I recently had to replace the entire ink supply assembly on a 3800. Go here for the full story with pictures. Good luck, Keith Keith Schreiber www.jkschreiber.com keith at jkschreiber.com On Jan 28, 2014, at 8:07 AM, BOB KISS wrote: > DEAR JORJ, > > How do I ?unlock? the printer head? > > Thanks for your suggestion. Looking forward to trying it. > > CHEERS! > > BOB > > > > _____ > > From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org > [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of > Jorj Bauer > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:44 AM > To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org > Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION > > > > Maybe this will help you, Bob. > > Dilute grocery-store ammonia 1:10 with distilled water; wet (not soak) a > paper towel with it and fold it in half. Power down the printer. Put the > paper towel on the print surface, unlock and slide the print head over the > paper towel, and leave it for a few hours. > > Clean up carefully and repeat your printing experiment. > > I do this occasionally to clear stubborn nozzles on my Stylus Pro 4000. The > vapors from the ammonia seem to do the trick. > > -- Jorj > > > On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:26 AM, "BOB KISS" wrote: > >> DEAR JEREMY, >> >> I prayed that your method would work but, after 5 attempts, I > am >> still getting a midtone gray rectangle which means that the LK and LLK are >> printing but not the PK/MK head. >> >> Any other ideas? Living here in Barbados we have lovely > weather >> but getting things repaired, shipping things in and out for factory > service, >> and getting parts is a nightmare. >> >> CHEERS! >> >> BOB >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org >> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf > Of >> Jeremy Moore >> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 4:12 PM >> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org >> Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION >> >> >> >> Bob, >> >> Before doing a power cleaning just print a large block of pure black. This >> will often fix a clog without needing to waste any of the other colors > like >> a power cleaning. This works for every color, though I don't remember the >> RGB numbers for the other colors off the top of my head black is an easy > one >> :) >> >> Just fill a rectangle with pure black in Photoshop and print it on a sheet >> of cheap paper. I like to make a long rectangle that's on the edge of an >> 8.5x11" page. This way I can just turn the page around and run it back >> through if I need to do it again. Never needed to do it more than twice so >> far (knock on wood). >> >> - Jeremy >> >> Sent from a mobile device. >> >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:07 PM, "BOB KISS" wrote: >>> >>> DEAR LIST, >>> >>> For those of us who print diginegs using Dan Burkholder?s >>> templates, please help me with the following question. >>> >>> As his system has the printer use the matte black (instead of >>> the photo black) pigments, does the printer still use the K LK and LLK >>> printer heads when printing with the matte black or does the printer only >>> use the matte black? >>> >>> The reason I ask is that the K head has suddenly stopped >>> printing and I must print two diginegs. If I force clean the printer I >> will >>> waste tons of other pigments. If I don?t need the K head to work for the >>> diginegs, then I can print them as per Dan?s system using the matte black >>> and worry about cleaning that PK head later. >>> >>> CHEERS! >>> >>> BOB >>> >>> >>> >>> Please check my website: >> http://www.bobkiss.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Live as if you are going to die tomorrow. Learn as if you are going to >>> live forever". Mahatma Gandhi >>> >>> >>> >>> "Earth" without "art" is just "Eh"! (Anonymous graffiti posted on >> Facebook) >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Madonne e fiori, trionfo eterno di giovent?!? from Mattinata Fiorentina >> by >>> Antonella Ruggiero >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature >>> database 9343 (20140127) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature >> database 9347 (20140128) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature >> database 9347 (20140128) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 9347 (20140128) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 9347 (20140128) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From keith at jkschreiber.com Tue Jan 28 20:58:02 2014 From: keith at jkschreiber.com (Keith Schreiber) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 13:58:02 -0700 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION In-Reply-To: References: <5A0FFEBD-96FE-432A-B3B1-8D161C69F6E2@gmail.com> <8CCBEF02-B68A-4A5D-8E25-2D47B89D280D@jorj.org> Message-ID: Oops! I guess we are not allowed to use links here. The link that I tried to post is this: http://www.inkjetmall.com/tech/showthread.php?228-3800-LC-channel-completely-missing/page2 By the way, I stopped receiving messages from this list sometime last April or May. I figured it was just slow and then maybe that it had lost its home and died. A few days ago I happened to go to the webmail page of my main email service and what do think I found in the junk folder? 7 months of messages from this list. Yippee! I have waded thru it all and there are several conversations I would have loved to participate in, so I hope no one objects if I reopen some old threads in the next few weeks. I am thrilled that this list is still alive and well, and to be a part of it again. Cheers to all, Keith On Jan 28, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Keith Schreiber wrote: > Hi Bob, > > If the printer is on, first turn it off. Then turn it on again and when the head moves to the left - away from the parked position - pull the plug. Just turning it off won't work because it will go thru the shut-down routine and the head will return to the parked position. > > Unlike the 4xxx/7xxx/9xxx series, there is no manual way to release the head without disassembling the case. > > BTW, for the sake of clarity, it probably makes more sense to refer the K CHANNEL rather than HEAD, because the printer has only one head with 8 channels, not 8 (or 9 if you count both blacks) heads. MK and PK share a channel by way of a "switch" in the damper assembly. I recently had to replace the entire ink supply assembly on a 3800. Go here for the full story with pictures. > > Good luck, > Keith > > Keith Schreiber > www.jkschreiber.com > keith at jkschreiber.com > > > > On Jan 28, 2014, at 8:07 AM, BOB KISS wrote: > >> DEAR JORJ, >> >> How do I ?unlock? the printer head? >> >> Thanks for your suggestion. Looking forward to trying it. >> >> CHEERS! >> >> BOB >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org >> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of >> Jorj Bauer >> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:44 AM >> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org >> Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION >> >> >> >> Maybe this will help you, Bob. >> >> Dilute grocery-store ammonia 1:10 with distilled water; wet (not soak) a >> paper towel with it and fold it in half. Power down the printer. Put the >> paper towel on the print surface, unlock and slide the print head over the >> paper towel, and leave it for a few hours. >> >> Clean up carefully and repeat your printing experiment. >> >> I do this occasionally to clear stubborn nozzles on my Stylus Pro 4000. The >> vapors from the ammonia seem to do the trick. >> >> -- Jorj >> >> >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:26 AM, "BOB KISS" wrote: >> >>> DEAR JEREMY, >>> >>> I prayed that your method would work but, after 5 attempts, I >> am >>> still getting a midtone gray rectangle which means that the LK and LLK are >>> printing but not the PK/MK head. >>> >>> Any other ideas? Living here in Barbados we have lovely >> weather >>> but getting things repaired, shipping things in and out for factory >> service, >>> and getting parts is a nightmare. >>> >>> CHEERS! >>> >>> BOB >>> >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org >>> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf >> Of >>> Jeremy Moore >>> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 4:12 PM >>> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org >>> Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION >>> >>> >>> >>> Bob, >>> >>> Before doing a power cleaning just print a large block of pure black. This >>> will often fix a clog without needing to waste any of the other colors >> like >>> a power cleaning. This works for every color, though I don't remember the >>> RGB numbers for the other colors off the top of my head black is an easy >> one >>> :) >>> >>> Just fill a rectangle with pure black in Photoshop and print it on a sheet >>> of cheap paper. I like to make a long rectangle that's on the edge of an >>> 8.5x11" page. This way I can just turn the page around and run it back >>> through if I need to do it again. Never needed to do it more than twice so >>> far (knock on wood). >>> >>> - Jeremy >>> >>> Sent from a mobile device. >>> >>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:07 PM, "BOB KISS" wrote: >>>> >>>> DEAR LIST, >>>> >>>> For those of us who print diginegs using Dan Burkholder?s >>>> templates, please help me with the following question. >>>> >>>> As his system has the printer use the matte black (instead of >>>> the photo black) pigments, does the printer still use the K LK and LLK >>>> printer heads when printing with the matte black or does the printer only >>>> use the matte black? >>>> >>>> The reason I ask is that the K head has suddenly stopped >>>> printing and I must print two diginegs. If I force clean the printer I >>> will >>>> waste tons of other pigments. If I don?t need the K head to work for the >>>> diginegs, then I can print them as per Dan?s system using the matte black >>>> and worry about cleaning that PK head later. >>>> >>>> CHEERS! >>>> >>>> BOB >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Please check my website: >>> http://www.bobkiss.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Live as if you are going to die tomorrow. Learn as if you are going to >>>> live forever". Mahatma Gandhi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Earth" without "art" is just "Eh"! (Anonymous graffiti posted on >>> Facebook) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ?Madonne e fiori, trionfo eterno di giovent?!? from Mattinata Fiorentina >>> by >>>> Antonella Ruggiero >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>> signature >>>> database 9343 (20140127) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature >>> database 9347 (20140128) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature >>> database 9347 (20140128) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 9347 (20140128) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 9347 (20140128) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From bobkiss at caribsurf.com Tue Jan 28 21:22:55 2014 From: bobkiss at caribsurf.com (bobkiss @caribsurf.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 17:22:55 -0400 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION In-Reply-To: References: <5A0FFEBD-96FE-432A-B3B1-8D161C69F6E2@gmail.com> <8CCBEF02-B68A-4A5D-8E25-2D47B89D280D@jorj.org> Message-ID: DEAR KEITH, Thanks for this info and you are right: I should say "Nozzle" or "channel", not head, which has all the nozzles for all the colors and greys. After all, the function is called "Nozzle Check" which shows what is printing and what is not. I will try your method. CHEERS! BOB On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Keith Schreiber wrote: > Hi Bob, > > If the printer is on, first turn it off. Then turn it on again and when > the head moves to the left - away from the parked position - pull the plug. > Just turning it off won't work because it will go thru the shut-down > routine and the head will return to the parked position. > > Unlike the 4xxx/7xxx/9xxx series, there is no manual way to release the > head without disassembling the case. > > BTW, for the sake of clarity, it probably makes more sense to refer the K > CHANNEL rather than HEAD, because the printer has only one head with 8 > channels, not 8 (or 9 if you count both blacks) heads. MK and PK share a > channel by way of a "switch" in the damper assembly. I recently had to > replace the entire ink supply assembly on a 3800. Go here for the full > story with pictures. > > Good luck, > Keith > > Keith Schreiber > www.jkschreiber.com > keith at jkschreiber.com > > > > On Jan 28, 2014, at 8:07 AM, BOB KISS wrote: > > > DEAR JORJ, > > > > How do I "unlock" the printer head? > > > > Thanks for your suggestion. Looking forward to trying it. > > > > CHEERS! > > > > BOB > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org > > [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On > Behalf Of > > Jorj Bauer > > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:44 AM > > To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org > > Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION > > > > > > > > Maybe this will help you, Bob. > > > > Dilute grocery-store ammonia 1:10 with distilled water; wet (not soak) a > > paper towel with it and fold it in half. Power down the printer. Put the > > paper towel on the print surface, unlock and slide the print head over > the > > paper towel, and leave it for a few hours. > > > > Clean up carefully and repeat your printing experiment. > > > > I do this occasionally to clear stubborn nozzles on my Stylus Pro 4000. > The > > vapors from the ammonia seem to do the trick. > > > > -- Jorj > > > > > > On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:26 AM, "BOB KISS" wrote: > > > >> DEAR JEREMY, > >> > >> I prayed that your method would work but, after 5 attempts, I > > am > >> still getting a midtone gray rectangle which means that the LK and LLK > are > >> printing but not the PK/MK head. > >> > >> Any other ideas? Living here in Barbados we have lovely > > weather > >> but getting things repaired, shipping things in and out for factory > > service, > >> and getting parts is a nightmare. > >> > >> CHEERS! > >> > >> BOB > >> > >> > >> > >> _____ > >> > >> From: alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org > >> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On > Behalf > > Of > >> Jeremy Moore > >> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 4:12 PM > >> To: alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org > >> Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: DIGINEGS EPSON 3800/3880 QUESTION > >> > >> > >> > >> Bob, > >> > >> Before doing a power cleaning just print a large block of pure black. > This > >> will often fix a clog without needing to waste any of the other colors > > like > >> a power cleaning. This works for every color, though I don't remember > the > >> RGB numbers for the other colors off the top of my head black is an easy > > one > >> :) > >> > >> Just fill a rectangle with pure black in Photoshop and print it on a > sheet > >> of cheap paper. I like to make a long rectangle that's on the edge of an > >> 8.5x11" page. This way I can just turn the page around and run it back > >> through if I need to do it again. Never needed to do it more than twice > so > >> far (knock on wood). > >> > >> - Jeremy > >> > >> Sent from a mobile device. > >> > >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:07 PM, "BOB KISS" > wrote: > >>> > >>> DEAR LIST, > >>> > >>> For those of us who print diginegs using Dan Burkholder's > >>> templates, please help me with the following question. > >>> > >>> As his system has the printer use the matte black (instead of > >>> the photo black) pigments, does the printer still use the K LK and LLK > >>> printer heads when printing with the matte black or does the printer > only > >>> use the matte black? > >>> > >>> The reason I ask is that the K head has suddenly stopped > >>> printing and I must print two diginegs. If I force clean the printer I > >> will > >>> waste tons of other pigments. If I don't need the K head to work for > the > >>> diginegs, then I can print them as per Dan's system using the matte > black > >>> and worry about cleaning that PK head later. > >>> > >>> CHEERS! > >>> > >>> BOB > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Please check my website: > >> http://www.bobkiss.com/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> "Live as if you are going to die tomorrow. Learn as if you are going > to > >>> live forever". Mahatma Gandhi > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> "Earth" without "art" is just "Eh"! 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I'm an owl, I took several years reading and translating your emails, but finally it is the first time I write on this forum (my English is very bad). I learned a lot, so I'm doing my first photo exhibition with the art of carbon transfer in Vitoria-Gasteiz, Basque Country, Spain. I want to thank to Sandy King for the paper published in the alternative photography web which I learned a lot. I still have no website and do not know how to show you the pictures I've done. But it will come. Greetings. Ankide, From jack at jackbrubaker.com Thu Jan 30 01:42:59 2014 From: jack at jackbrubaker.com (Jack Brubaker) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 20:42:59 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon transfer exhibition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congratulations on getting a body of work together for exhibit. Jack On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Ankide wrote: > Hello everyone. > > I'm an owl, I took several years reading and translating your emails, but > finally it is the first time I write on this forum (my English is very > bad). > > I learned a lot, so I'm doing my first photo exhibition with the art of > carbon transfer in Vitoria-Gasteiz, Basque Country, Spain. > > I want to thank to Sandy King for the paper published in the > alternative photography > web which I learned a lot. > > I still have no website and do not know how to show you the pictures I've > done. But it will come. > > Greetings. Ankide, > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From sanking at clemson.edu Thu Jan 30 02:26:10 2014 From: sanking at clemson.edu (Sandy King) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 21:26:10 -0500 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon transfer exhibition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congratulations for producing a body of carbon work and having an exhibition of your work. I hope it is well received and that people understand how much effort went into the learning. And congratulations for your first message in English, which is not bad at all! un saludo, Sandy On Jan 29, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Ankide wrote: > Hello everyone. > > I'm an owl, I took several years reading and translating your emails, but > finally it is the first time I write on this forum (my English is very bad). > > I learned a lot, so I'm doing my first photo exhibition with the art of > carbon transfer in Vitoria-Gasteiz, Basque Country, Spain. > > I want to thank to Sandy King for the paper published in the > alternative photography > web which I learned a lot. > > I still have no website and do not know how to show you the pictures I've > done. But it will come. > > Greetings. Ankide, > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org From damiano.bianca at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 07:26:00 2014 From: damiano.bianca at gmail.com (Damiano Bianca) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 08:26:00 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon transfer exhibition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: mis mejores deseos damiano 2014-01-29 Ankide : > Hello everyone. > > I'm an owl, I took several years reading and translating your emails, but > finally it is the first time I write on this forum (my English is very > bad). > > I learned a lot, so I'm doing my first photo exhibition with the art of > carbon transfer in Vitoria-Gasteiz, Basque Country, Spain. > > I want to thank to Sandy King for the paper published in the > alternative photography > web which I learned a lot. > > I still have no website and do not know how to show you the pictures I've > done. But it will come. > > Greetings. Ankide, > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From tom at sobota.net Thu Jan 30 09:40:10 2014 From: tom at sobota.net (Tomas Sobota) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 10:40:10 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon transfer exhibition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ankide, It's been a long time since I last heard from you, on the Spanish Alt List. Felicitations! Where in Vitoria is the exhibition? I'd like to drop by and see it. Tom On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Ankide wrote: > Hello everyone. > > I'm an owl, I took several years reading and translating your emails, but > finally it is the first time I write on this forum (my English is very > bad). > > I learned a lot, so I'm doing my first photo exhibition with the art of > carbon transfer in Vitoria-Gasteiz, Basque Country, Spain. > > I want to thank to Sandy King for the paper published in the > alternative photography > web which I learned a lot. > > I still have no website and do not know how to show you the pictures I've > done. But it will come. > > Greetings. Ankide, > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From ankide at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 22:17:49 2014 From: ankide at gmail.com (Ankide) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 23:17:49 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Carbon transfer exhibition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Tom: Do you live near Vitoria? The exhibition is at the Centre for Adult Education Paulo Freire, Canton College San Prudencio s / n, (opposite the Museum of Contemporary Art Artium). It runs through Feb. 9. If you are coming to visit, do not hesitate to warn me to know. Does it still works photo alt list in Spanish? Thank you all for your encouragement. Ankide 2014-01-30 Tomas Sobota : > Hi Ankide, > > It's been a long time since I last heard from you, on the Spanish Alt List. > Felicitations! Where in Vitoria is the exhibition? I'd like to drop by and > see it. > > Tom > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Ankide wrote: > > > Hello everyone. > > > > I'm an owl, I took several years reading and translating your emails, but > > finally it is the first time I write on this forum (my English is very > > bad). > > > > I learned a lot, so I'm doing my first photo exhibition with the art of > > carbon transfer in Vitoria-Gasteiz, Basque Country, Spain. > > > > I want to thank to Sandy King for the paper published in the > > alternative photography > > web which I learned a lot. > > > > I still have no website and do not know how to show you the pictures I've > > done. But it will come. > > > > Greetings. Ankide, > > _______________________________________________ > > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org > From gemeentehuis at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 23:10:15 2014 From: gemeentehuis at gmail.com (Bert Kuijer) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 00:10:15 +0100 Subject: [Alt-photo] Re: Mike Ware's updated e-book on the cyanotype process available for download In-Reply-To: <52E6C31E.2000903@gmail.com> References: <52E6C31E.2000903@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Peter, somehow I missed your original posting with the note from Mike Ware and the link to his book. Could you please repost or mail it to me? Thank you, Bert from Holland 2014-01-27 Matti Koskinen : > On 27.1.2014 16:01, Peter Friedrichsen wrote: > >> Dear Alt -photo, >> >> Recently I was conversing via email with Dr. Mike Ware re, the cyanotype >> process. He mention that he would be releasing an update to his book: >> Cyanotype: The History, Science and Art of Photographic Printing in >> Prussian Blue which is out of print but still viewable in parts through >> Google Books. With permission, I have copied his note containing the >> included link to the now freely downloadable updated version. >> >> Peter Friedrichsen >> =========================== >> >