Re: Pigment types (and order)

Judy Seigel (jseigel@panix.com)
Fri, 2 Aug 1996 18:07:31 -0400 (EDT)


On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Peter Charles Fredrick wrote:
> I think Michael Wilcox is making a
> serious attempt to bring some rational into colour mixing.

Aren't we all...

But I happened to have the occasion to speak on the phone today to Andrew
Daler of Daler Rowney Limited (who sounded to this New Yorker like he'd
just come off the Norfolk Broads or the Sussex Downs or some place
extremely fey to the American imagination).

I described the discussion and cited the Wilcox Book and asked what he
could add. He said yes he was familiar with the book as "every one in the
industry has looked at it." It has, he said, "some pretty unusual
statements, not just about our colors but others as well." It includes
some "positive things but some things are totally unfounded."

The Rowney Permanent Yellow is indeed arylamide yellow, and "we stand by
the Permanent Yellow... The company has been in business since 1857 [I
think it was, he told me this twice & I'm sorry I forgot the exact date] and
stands behind the 3 stars."

Besides which, he points out, anything shipped into the States from abroad
has to pass the ACCI testing board -- which I suppose his implication was
would check on those ratings, though I wouldn't hold my breath for that.

I of course was still looking for a clue. Did he have any idea what could
have caused Wilcox to badmouth R. Perm Yellow in such a flagrant way? No
he didn't, but added that in the matter of stars the company is "a little
conservative, just in case."

Well, what about the Rowney Aureolin (which Peter says "got the highest
marks" from Wilcox) is the only thing I can think of to ask now. His reply:
"Aureolean works well, but it only has two stars so it's not as permanent
as the Permanent Yellow."

Now I have no explanation for this -- let Wilcox explain. I don't have to.
But I think Peter has saved me $29 plus shipping. As I suggested
yesterday, I hope to be no more naive than the next person, but I trust
the information from the manufacturer more than the manual writer unless
writer is a research chemist or the equivalent. The manufacturer not only
has the data and the chemists but much MUCH more to lose, including
serious sanctions. Wilcox just disappears into the outback. (Sorry guys, I
couldn't resist that.)

And now, a moment of silence for all the bandwidth that has died so that
we on this list may decry the errancy of authors and their "sources."

> > If it is who do you trust Wilcox or Rowney?
Personally it would have to > be Wilcox, he has more to lose if he is
wrong . > >

> > I am still searching for the > > perfect transparent yellow pigment ,
anybody out there got anymore > > information ? >

Let me suggest that you try the Rowney Permanent Yellow. Seriously. I'd
like to know what you think. It seemed to this tricolor beginner to be
easy to work with, have lots of color power, clear in the highlights, and
reasonably transparent. I of course was thrilled at this stage to get a
reasonable facsimile of a color print. You would have a more experienced
view -- tho the correlation with Fotempera is by no means assured.

Cheers,

Judy