Re: Van Dyke brown prints at the MOMA

Mark A.Morrill (morri013@maroon.tc.umn.edu)
Wed, 28 Aug 1996 03:38:04

On Wed, 28 Aug 96 10:19:16 +1000,
alt-photo-process@cse.unsw.edu.au wrote...
>Mark wrote
>
> "but calling one self an artist does set onself apart from
> mere mortals does it not?"
>
>I would reply: yes Mark, it does as does calling oneself by any name
>that describes what one really does. I have a degree in Nuclear Physics
>so I sometimes call myself a Nuclear Physicist. I don't think that
>implys that I consider myself better than others. Its just what I do
>sometimes. If a person does art, I think they can call themself an
>artist. Titles do set us apart from others, but I don't see why we should
>feel that we have to apologize for it. Today anyone with the funds can
>buy a do-everything-for-you camera and take the film to the nearest
>drugstore for processing. Thats fine but it leads to folks thinking that
>photography is too easy to be considered art (and perhaps that a
photograph
>isn't really a print). Of course, most folks have no clue as to the abount
>of effort, skill, talent,etc. necessary to create a fine art photograph.
>I know enough about other "printing" methods to know that fine art
>photographic prints (and certainly alternate process prints) require
>at least as much artistic ability as other, more "standard", methods.
>I have to say it again. Its time to stop calling ourselves photographers
>and conjuring up the "Olin Mills" image and start refering to ourselves
>as artists (proudly, and without shame) who work with photographic
>process as an artistic medium.
>
>Sorry to run on, but I guess my cage was rattled. Also I apologize
>to the list since this discussion probably belongs on the PhotoArt
>list.
>
>Bob Schramm
>

I am sorry that I rattled your cage. I happen to believe that you are
right. One of the things I often say about photography, although not here
until now, is that: Any person with a liberal arts degree can take a
snapshot and hang it on their wall and imagine that they are artists.

But for the work to be distinguished from a school project requires doing
something beyond the level of an AVERAGE liberal arts education.

Before I am flamed to cinders I mean the AVERAGE kind of education. Where a
certain number of art courses gets one by.

My favorite examples are the awful images that I am confronted with when
waiting for my physician in a cold waiting room. The picture is of a lake,
or some ducks flying south. Both technically inferior and the idea is
urbane. They aren't photographers.

Advertising has been called art here in America. I don't agree with it.
In my opinion advertising is shallow and the motive for producing it in my
mind degrades it to something less that what an artist aspires would say
that they are photographers.

Now if money, fame, stature, ect. are not the objective then Artist is
possibly true. Something to place over the couch might be a stretch.

The distinction between Photographer and Artist has been a quandary for
much of this century.

I actually prefer artist. But when I do social documentary work I use
photographer. Because it connotes objectivity.

I would not begrudge the doctor his moment of artistic achievement.
But I would not call him an artist.

The general public doesn’t make many distinctions here in Minneapolis
Minnesota(The Provincial Prairie,) and it is a tragedy.

Mark A. Morrill

Ps this also has nothing to do with Van Dyke brown prints at the MOMA
and it is my indiscretion.