From: Nick Makris (nick@mcn.org)
Date: 05/28/01-03:00:17 PM Z
Message 1 of 4 as received from Jon Cone.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Cone" <inkjetmall@inkjetmall.com>
To: "Nick Makris" <nick@mcn.org>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Product info
> answers below:
>
> best regards,
>
> --
> Jon Cone
> inkjetmall.com
> jon@cone-editions.com
> voice (802) 439-5751
>
> > From: "Nick Makris" <nick@mcn.org>
> > Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 08:22:50 -0700
> > To: "Jon Cone" <inkjetmall@inkjetmall.com>
> > Subject: Re: Product info
> >
> > Jon, Thanks so much for your prompt reply on this long holiday weekend.
> > Some remaining questions - these are the same questions that are part of
a
> > thread on the Alt Photo list (re Dan Burkholder). Any reply here will
help
> > all those on the list - there seems to be significant interest here and
I
> > will forward your reply.
> >
> > Does the with/without Piezography graphic illustration
> > http://www.piezography.com/side-by-side.html apply universally to all
the
> > supported printers (750, 800, 850, 860, 1160, 1200, 1280, 1520, 3000,
7000)
> > and at what resolution could one expect to perceive such a remarkable
> > difference? The sample shown is from the 3000 printer (or is it one of
the
> > Series 3000 printers - see below) but fails to indicate the resolution
and
> > therefore what one might expect from their particular printer and normal
> > printing methods. The implication here is that while you could make
your
> > printer produce similar results, it could be that the resolution
required
> > would be such that other concerns would dictate the decision.
>
> There are two issues with the illustration at
> http://www.piezography.com/side-by-side.html . One is that on a printer as
> course as the 3000 (even in its 1440x720 dpi mode as illustrated) - our
> software does not produce individual dots and EPSON software does. What
our
> software does is print the space between dots with additional dots so that
a
> single dot is always being touched on all sides by another dot. The result
> is no visible dots. Our software allows continuous-tone results all a very
> coarse printer such as the 3000.
>
> The second issue is that our highlights are composed without dark bits of
> ink. The EPSON illustration was done following the instructions from the
MIS
> Quadtone workflow page, so as not to prejudice the outcome. The unwanted
ink
> in the highlights will remain with EPSON software no matter the printer -
> because the EPSON driver always assumes RGB output. Our software is a true
4
> or 6 ink channel driver. If we do not want dark ink in our highlights, we
do
> not put it there. EPSON on the other hand, is "trying" to reduce the
visible
> dots with its driver by mixing up to 3 inks in a single pixel location. We
> only print the ink that is closest to the tone at a single pixel location.
>
> So these are two improvements made over the EPSON driver.
>
> The size of the dots is less of an issue in printers other than the 3000,
> 1520, 850 and 800. All other printers that we support have smaller dots.
> HOWEVER, the unwanted ink will always remain no matter the size of the
dot.
> But also, we can produce on an EPSON 3000, the same quality of image as on
a
> Photo 1200.
>
> Perhaps a third improvement, or a byproduct of improvement 1.
>
> Additionally, users find it difficult for example, to print with quad inks
> on the EPSON 1200 because of over-inking on some papers. Our software
> includes ICQ profiles which were invented for the process and always
produce
> a perfect linear response from dMax to dMin, regardless of the paper. We
can
> print without over-inking problems whether it is a 4 ink or a 6 ink
printer.
> Another improvement over the EPSON driver.
>
>
>
> > 1) The printing time could be unbearably long - I might be able to live
with
> > this one.
>
> On some printers we are faster then the EPSON driver and with the new beta
> 3000 driver which allows marginal quality 3000 printers to run our
software
> and inks - the printing time is slower.
>
>
> > 2) Your currently scanned images (of which I have several hundred with
at
> > least 1-2 hours in each) would all have to be redone - I would have to
think
> > long and hard about that one.
>
>
> We are calibrated to screen. If it looks good on monitor it looks good on
> print. There is one consideration. We separate between luminance values
from
> 0 to 255. Your previous images would not have had separation between 0 to
11
> (or nearly 30 depending upon printer model) and this added detail may be
> unwanted. You could crush this lower shadow detail if you chose with this
> trick: http://www.piezography.com/ts/shadows.html
>
>
> >
> > There is some confusion regarding results where it concerns the 3000
> > printer and the 3000 series of printers (apparently all of the above
except
> > the 7000), reasonably expected results and the touted capabilities of
the
> > technology on various pages in the website.
>
> There is only one 3000 printer. The 1520, 850 and 800 use the same head
and
> the same driver.
>
>
> > Do you have to use the kit inks that you supply or could you expect
similar
> > results or at least some improvement using other inks, ie, MIS Quad tone
or
> > others. Your pricing on 4 bottles of ink is $260 and no specs are
supplied
> > regarding how many ounces that is???
>
> You really do have to use the kit inks. The other manufacturers have
created
> simple dilutions of 25%, 50%, 75% and 100%. We took a more comprehensive
> approach to the problem of printing monochromatic images in a
> continuous-tone manner. Our inks do not follow such a predictable dilution
> theme. Additionally, the sharpness of dot created by our inks is not a
> standard feature of inkjet inks. Because we are printing at optical dot
> patterns of 2160 and higher (depending upon printer) - you can not afford
to
> have unwanted dot gain and still print with clarity.
>
> This is another improvement. The EPSON driver can not resolve higher
> resolutions than about 360dpi. Anything higher is wasted. Our driver can
> resolve detail in resolutions above 1000! We can actually resolve higher
> detail than photographic enlargements. We will remain tack sharp as long
as
> the scanned image is tack sharp at resolutions of 720 even 1000dpi or
higher
> at output size! Even on a 3000.
>
>
> > Your ink is a carbon based pigment and some people have been
experiencing
> > some difficulty with lack of adherance to the substrate/film/paper. Is
> > there reason to believe that this problem is an isolated issue or is it
one
> > that many other have experienced?
>
> We only know of one film which will take the inks - Pictorico Overhead
> Projector Film. However, the ink density needs to be reduced to about 70
> from the standard 100, otherwise it does not adhere well. Gloss papers
other
> than our own, EPSON Photo, and the new Kodak papers will be problematical.
> Pigments and gloss have never been good mixes.
>
>
> >
> > Once again, many thanks,
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jon Cone" <inkjetmall@inkjetmall.com>
> > To: "Nick Makris" <nick@mcn.org>
> > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 7:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: Product info
> >
> >
> >> On the top of the order page is the following:
> >>
> >> "Piezography。W Complete Starter Package includes:
> >>
> >> * Pigment based Piezography。W Neutral inks
> >> * Piezography。W Adobe Photoshop plugin for Macintosh and Windows
> >> * driver for EPSON 3000, 1520, 1160, 860, 850, 800 and 760 in one
> >> installation; or the 1200 and 750 only with the Piezography。W6
package.
> >>
> >>
> >> * built-in ICQ printer profiles
> >> * Instructional manual for black and white printmaking
> >> * 3000 only version includes starter set of 8.5" x 11" ConeTech 100%
> > rag
> >> photo/arts papers"
> >>
> >>
> >> I want to make certain you are on the right page for the b&w system:
> >> http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/piezography-purchase.html
> >>
> >> The kits come with inks, software and manual on CD-ROM.
> >>
> >> We do not support refilling and do not know how it is actually done.
There
> >> are plenty of sites on the Internet that do support it. Instead we
offer a
> >> Continuous Ink Supply system which can be ordered as an upgrade or as a
> >> starter kit on the same page above. There is also a link there to:
> >> http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/piezographyBW-cis.html
> >>
> >> Let me know if you have further questions.
> >>
> >>
> >> best regards,
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jon Cone
> >> inkjetmall.com
> >> jon@cone-editions.com
> >> voice (802) 439-5751
> >>
> >>> From: "Nick Makris" <nick@mcn.org>
> >>> Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 14:58:18 -0700
> >>> To: <webmaster@inkjetmall.com>
> >>> Subject: Product info
> >>>
> >>> There is very little on your site that describes the Piezography
> > products that
> >>> you are offering. More specifically, you offer several products for
> > many of
> >>> the Epson printers with a "BUY" button but know "INFO" button. I
would
> > really
> >>> like to know what comes with the #4977 besides Piezography。W
Cartridge
> > Kit
> >>> with software, inks and cleaning cartridges
> >>>
> >>> Does it come with a manual, CD?
> >>> Are the cartridges the same as the Epson.
> >>> Are they refillable?
> >>> If they are, can I buy the ink in bulk and is there a kit for this?
> >>> How much ink/many prints does it make?
> >>> Is there a picture of it?
> >>>
> >>> Many thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Nick
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
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