From: Christopher Lovenguth (zantzant@hotmail.com)
Date: 04/22/02-11:53:41 AM Z
This just reminded me of a piece I saw on Saturday in an artist community in
LA called The Brewery. The artist paintings were pop art type work but the
reason I bring this up is that on one work the artist had written “Art
Fallow Function”. He had split the word “Fallow” between two canvases so if
you were not careful you would have thought he wrote “Follow”. -Chris
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Comments: "alt-photo-process mailing list"
Right now I am trying to refute a colleague's statement that "art is
something
without function". Ex, you can't drive it. You have a car with toy
soldiers
glued all over it. The art is separate from the function, ie. the car,
because
it is not the toy soldiers that makes the object driveable. I cannot think
of
an argument, but that could just be the lack of coffee. Can someone here
think
of something someone made once that was functional art? I know its been
done....
Cheers,
Christine
"Christina Z. Anderson" wrote:
> Halvor,
> When pursuing my first degree from the University of Minnesota as an
> art major, we had a whole quarter class called "What is Art?" which was
in
> seminar format, several hundred students, where we argued this
question--the
> ENTIRE quarter. Then we wrote a huge paper on it at the end. I would
love
> to know where that paper is and see if I agree with my opinions from back
> then. I doubt it. Here at Montana State University they have a somewhat
> similar course entitled Aesthetics which seeks to do the same. The
problem
> with the question is that there are always exceptions to every statement
you
> make.
> When I teach Beginning Photography at MSU I ask them to write a
paper
> on What is Art and in there discuss how photography relates. I don't
make
> them research, I just ask for their opinions. This semester I got some
> wonderful tidbits. A Japanese student said it was "ancestors' souls left
on
> canvas". I like that. One said it "was a form of representation". I'm
> trying to think if I can argue that one and I don't think so--we do
> re-present. A "form of communication"--I agree here, too. "Art takes us
to
> another place". A "journey into the artist's mind". And so forth. And
> then I wrote on the board the different opinions and we argued each
> one--e.g.art is nature at its best (not always), art is beauty (not
always),
> photography is a form of art where we cannot deny the truth (not
anymore),
> etc. Art is personal (hmm, still working on this one). One of my fave
> students says, "Art is what I say it is". I like that, too.
> My 2 cents on this monday morning, where it better get warm here in
MT
> or I'm moving :)
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Halvor <halvorb@mac.com>
> To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:31 PM
> Subject: The 29 or possibly 30 forms of Art.
>
> > Took some time that did, sorry Judy.
> > Now, the problem with art and it's definition is that it usually get
> > confused either with taste, or with the various artists personal
opinion
> > about what they are doing. A lot of discussions in this area ends up
with
> an
> > agreement on disagrement because what has been discussed isn't art, but
> > taste.
> > I am not shure excactly when art was invented, or to what purpose.. :)
but
> > the "modern" / current version of it has become increasingly slippery.
> > Myself beeing a product of the modern art education (bA Photgraphy
> Universe
> > of Derby 92-95 (are however currently doing a master of engineering on
> > platinum printing, due to lifes intricasies and the Japanese ministry
of
> > education,- photography has not reached the status of art education in
> this
> > country yet)).
> > During 3 yrs of photographic art studies I can not remember the
question
> > "What is Art" beeing raised once. We are talking about quiet a lot of
> > students, with a degree in art, probably unable to give a simple
> definition
> > on what the A in their degree means.
> > I spent a fair bit of time on the question "what is photography",
reaching
> > the brilliant conclusion that it is a : "technique for making
pictures",
> > with various specific attributes. The question instead became "what can
> make
> > art out of photography" or to simplify it "what is art".
> > A few years ago an Israeli art student (Bezalel Academy, Jerusaleem)
> > mentioned the words ; Roland Barthes, Dialectics and pictures in the
same
> > sentence, I was however quite busy studying beer at that time and have
> > forgotten the point with that conversation. (If anybody know where and
if
> > Roland Barthes write about dialectics in pictures, please contact me.)
It
> > has hovewer led me to this theory :
> > If we take a "sensory input" (to cover everything), or a picture to
keep
> it
> > simple, and put it in the first corner of Hegel's dialectical triangle.
> The
> > position of the "thesis". Then put the observer / wiever in the second
> > corner, the antithesis, art appear as the synthesis. (Top third corner)
> > The conflict between what is presented and the viewer, with internal
> > preferences and knowledge, meets and produce an idea, feeling or
> > understanding.
> > In other words, art is the understanding or the reaction on seeing a
> > picture. One could say art is intelligence.
> > Again; art does not excist as a physical thing, but is a "state of
mind".
> > Physical objects can carry the potential for art, but is dependent on
> beeing
> > seen and understood to reach a "state of art".
> > In it's simplest form any picture is art. The dialectical conflict
between
> a
> > two dimensional paper (sign) giving of an impression of a three
> dimensional
> > reality, or otherwise, (the signified) is enough to produce an
> understanding
> > - art. Of course this simple procedure does not make it *good* art.
> > One can go on for a long time discussing levels of art, from great to
> > stupid, add concepts as skill, quality and historical value in the
> judgment
> > of it, but here one tends to get into the slippery tangle of taste.
> > So :
> > A : Art does not excist.
> > B : Everything is art.
> > enough for a rainy sunday afternoon
> > Halvor Bjoerngaard
> > Tokyo
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