From: Jack Fulton (jefulton1@attbi.com)
Date: 08/25/02-09:12:15 PM Z
>> From: Ender100@aol.com
>> Would the discussion be any different if it were about "human nudes?"
It might be if we were discussing form. As a male, I really liked the
famous Marilyn Monroe nude and now and then a picture in Playboy. However,
when more maximum exposure magazines oriented toward men came about the
The statue of David, we must not forget, could easily have been much a male
manifesto (man in fester) as it was cobbled together by Michelangelo. Now
he has been criticized for creating women as far too masculine. Too, look @
the TV and the women body builders who call them selves 'body sculptors'.
There has been a debate there where the women go overboard (like that rush
one gets from jogging . . don't forget that Dave) with getting pumped up.
So, I too find it fascinating the manners us humans depict the body.
>From the Venus of Wilendorf and others of that ilk (the wide hipped and
large bodied seeming fetish figures. ) to the penis worshiping cult for
barren women in Japan (Tagata Fertility Festival) or the penis shields of
New Guinea tribes, or, gee, those 'erotic' carvings of Khajuraho in India,
or perhaps the Vigeland gardens of Oslo . . there have been many areas of
the world employing the devices and media of Art to depict interest in the
the 'other' for purposes of "understanding" the sexual drive or force.
All along, it seems, there has been a guilt/pleasure imbalance. We might
be angry today w/the Muslim culture and mention the lack of women seen in it
as a reason to wish their demise, but, think of the recent Catholic scandal
of the priests (you've not heard any mention of nuns) and tell me if that is
all healthy. So, we're all crazy (as P.J. O'Rourke likes remark . . Harpers
July 2002) and apparently all interested in sex because there are now about
6.5 billion of us screwing up the whole friggin planet. Now talk about
In the long run, however, I'm on Judy's side. If we all had a 'god'
(hate to use that word) understanding or a healthy outlook (and I mean both
sexes) I believe we'd have less people on Earth, that we'd hold a chthonic
(Greek for Earth) understanding of what it is to be 'real' and the water
would be pure and Kenneth Lay might never exist.
>> Personally, I enjoy the rendering of the human body in many media. I enjoy
>> the more abstract, and I enjoy the sensuous, and I enjoy the erotic. I
>> sometimes feel that in this society we put up with all sorts of T&A
>> commercialism, but are afraid to look at an honest, well crafted image of the
>> human body. It's ok to "tease", but not ok to be honest. It's seems like an
>> adolescent viewpoint... or maybe infantile.
>>
>> I'm a nude photographer and proud of it... but it does present the danger of
>> frostbite when I'm taking those winter landscapes.
If you are nude when you photograph Mark, I can easily understand
what could happen in Winter. However, in Summer, don't you upset folks, or
do you just do landscape?
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>> Mark Nelson
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