Art Vs Porn

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From: Jack Fulton (jefulton1@attbi.com)
Date: 08/25/02-09:12:56 PM Z


>> From: Ender100@aol.com
>> Would the discussion be any different if it were about "human nudes?"
>>>> It might be if we were discussing form. As a male, I really liked the
>>>> famous
> Marilyn Monroe nude and now and then a picture in Playboy. However, when
> more maximum exposure magazines oriented toward men came about the interest
> dropped.
>>>> The statue of David, we must not forget, could easily have been much a male
> manifesto (man in fester) as it was cobbled together by Michelangelo. Now he
> has been criticized for creating women as far too masculine. Too, look @ the
> TV and the women body builders who call them selves 'body sculptors'. There
> has been a debate there where the women go overboard (like that rush one
> gets from jogging . . don't forget that Dave) with getting pumped up.
>>>> So, I too find it fascinating the manners us humans depict the body. From
> the famed Venus of Wilendorf and others of that ilk (the wide hipped and
> large bodied seeming fetish figures. ) to the penis worshiping cult for
> barren women in Japan (Tagata Fertility Festival) or the penis shields of
> New Guinea tribes, or, gee, those 'erotic' carvings of Khajuraho in India,
> or perhaps the Vigeland gardens of Oslo . . there have been many areas of
> the world employing the devices and media of Art to depict interest in the
> the 'other' for purposes of "understanding" the sexual drive or force.
>>>> All along, it seems, there has been a guilt/pleasure imbalance. We might be
> angry today w/the Muslim culture and mention the lack of women seen in it as
> a reason to wish their demise, but, think of the recent Catholic scandal of
> the priests (you've not heard any mention of nuns) and tell me if that is
> all healthy. So, we're all crazy (as P.J. O'Rourke likes remark . . Harpers
> July 2002) and apparently all interested in sex because there are now about
> 6.5 billion of us screwing up the whole friggin planet. Now talk about
> screwing . . look at THAT mess.
>>>> In the long run, however, I'm on Judy's side. If we all had a 'god' (hate
> to use that word) understanding or a healthy outlook (and I mean both sexes)
> I believe we'd have less people on Earth, that we'd hold a chthonic (Greek
> for Earth) understanding of what it is to be 'real' and the water would be
> purer and Kenneth Lay might never exist.
>> Personally, I enjoy the rendering of the human body in many media. I enjoy
>> the more abstract, and I enjoy the sensuous, and I enjoy the erotic. I
>> sometimes feel that in this society we put up with all sorts of T&A
>> commercialism, but are afraid to look at an honest, well crafted image of the
>> human body. It's ok to "tease", but not ok to be honest. It's seems like an
>> adolescent viewpoint... or maybe infantile.
>>
>> I'm a nude photographer and proud of it... but it does present the danger of
>> frostbite when I'm taking those winter landscapes.
>>>> If you are nude when you photograph Mark, I can easily understand what
>>>> could
> happen in Winter. However, in Summer, don't you upset folks, or do you just
> do landscape?
>>
>> Mark Nelson
>>
>
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