From: Darryl Baird (dbaird@umflint.edu)
Date: 10/12/03-10:48:34 AM Z
Jeff,
I'm not engaging (previously, now or later) in any conversation about
consent. For me, it's a non-starter. Kids don't consent to much of
anything -- school, teeth brushing, discipline, manners, food choice,
etc. Whatever you may think about a particular parent's choice, it is
none the less a choice they get to make and not us. I'm reminded as much
with my own grandchildren on a regular basis. Hey, they didn't even
consent to being my grandchildren (big grin), but they bear the burden
admirably.
Since I weighed in late, I don't even remember who raised (you?) the
issue of consent. I'm apathetic to this line of reasoning as stated above.
Darryl
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Jeff Buckels wrote:
>Darryl and List: How does any of this bear on the argument that an
>8-year-old is incapable of giving a valid consent to their nude images
>being broadcast to the public (for private profit)? I'm not hearing how
>the "consent" of an 8-year-old can be meaningful consent? Who on this
>list -- otherwise inclined to defend Edward Weston -- would defend him
>if it came out that Charis Weston had not consented to the publication
>of Weston's nudes of her? ... Nothing I've said in this exchange, by
>the way, depends on the specifics of Mann's life or her interaction with
>her children. I'm saying that a child is categorically incapable of
>giving a valid consent. One thing Darryl says in his note, however,
>makes a comment semi-related to the Mann bio hard to resist: Darryl
>points out (accurately -- just look at the books: No nudes of Mann kids
>as adolescents), Darryl points out that the Mann kids opted out of the
>nude portraiture when they got older and became "uncomfortable" with it.
>Interesting. As soon as they were old enough to actually understand
>something of the situation, they opted out. Little kids don't know --
>can't know -- "what's going on" and, even if they did, they don't have
>the independence of mind and will to decline. That's why they're
>"consent" isn't valid. -jb
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