From: Kate Mahoney (kateb@paradise.net.nz)
Date: 10/18/03-03:26:48 PM Z
"but bare children
> > in everyday life or
> > frolicking in the woods - I don't think so......."
This only referred to the upper and middle class British Victorian milieu -
not any other. And my children were pretty keen on nakedness when we lived
somewhere warm...here in the south of New Zealand nakedness is much more
life-threatening...I think it's all a matter of climate!
Kate Mahoney
----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip willarney" <pwillarney@yahoo.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: Neo-Pictorialism, sally mann
> Well, I have to say it... a lot of us photograph what
> is, right? And portraits of people as they are are
> often best, right?
>
> Well, I've watched several children growing up, and --
> for most children -- a *REAL*HARD* lesson is "we wear
> clothes when we go out of the house, dear."
>
> Most young kids I know spend a lot of time and energy
> trying to get *OUT* of these dratted clothes so they
> can run around with the neighbors dog or whatever all
> nekkid. For a while, no clothes is a *lot* more
> natural and sensible to kids than clothes.
>
> So is taking a picture of a nekkid kid -- who chose,
> with some considerable vehemence, to be that way --
> wrong?
>
> I don't know at what age this -- non-sexual, more of a
> these dratted clothes are a confounded nuisance and no
> fun at all and I want out of them -- stripping urge
> would fade without "stay dressed, dear" training; it
> seemed fairly present when I was young in 8 year old
> boys near swimming holes.
>
> And as far as giving consent goes -- seems to be the
> folks best qualified to give consent are
> * The kid, whatever age
> * The parent(s)
> * The kid, older, if the question of later publication
> or public display arises.
>
> As far as Sally Mann goes, her kids were already
> running around unclothed and she took portraits of
> them as they were, where they were. It's not like
> she said "strip, darlings, I want to take your
> picture." I've got a copy of _immediate family_ and I
> think they're great portraits of those kids --
> serious, playful, alive.
>
> -- pwillarney...
>
>
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