curzon@tegenlicht.com
Date: 09/16/03-11:26:50 PM Z
Like Sting said: "stop playing with Oppenheimer's deadly toy".
This has nothing to do with alt-photography. There is probably an other
forum for alt-war-processes but this isn't the one.
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Van: Robert W. Schramm [mailto:schrammrus@hotmail.com]
Verzonden: woensdag 17 september 2003 6:06
Aan: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
Onderwerp: RE: There is H2O and then there is H2O
But the point is that heavy water is a moderator for use in a nuclear
reactor and is not used in the manufactur of atomic bombs.
Bob Schramm
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>From: don <ulformat@teleport.com>
>Reply-To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
>To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
>Subject: RE: There is H2O and then there is H2O
>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:32:59 -0700
>
>Well, the Norweigans did make a contribution towards the production of
>nuclear weapons during wwII --- they were actively producing
>Heavy Water for the Nazi atomic bomb effort before the Allied raid put the
>plant in Norway out of commission....
>
>So what's this got to do with Alt-Processes I ask? Are we wayyyyyyyy off
>topic?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert W. Schramm [mailto:schrammrus@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:07 PM
>To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
>Subject: Re: There is H2O and then there is H2O
>
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>H30 is incorrect if you are refering to heavy water. H20 means two atoms of
>hydrogen and one atom of oxygen. H30 whould mean three atoms of hydrogen
>and
>on atom of oxygen. That is not water.
>Heavy water is deuterium oxide. Unlike hydrogen which has one proton in its
>nucleus, deuterium has one proton and one neutron in the nucleus. Deuterium
>is an isotope of hydrogen. Its atomic number is the same as hydrogen
>therefore it acts chemically just like hydrogen. Heavy water (duterium
>oxide) is desirable as a moderator in nuclear reactors but it is not used
>in
>nuclear weapons.Of course there is a close relationship between a nuclear
>reactor and a nuclear weapon (atomic bomb). A nuclear reactor is designed
>so
>that the average number of neutrons produced per fission is one. In an
>atomic bomb, uranium 235 is both the fuel and the moderator and the average
>number of neutrons produced per fission is greater than one so that the
>reaction proceeds exponentially---ultimatly resulting in the production of
>a
>large amount of energy. But perhaps I have revealed too much. ;-)
>I don't think Norway made any contribution towards the production of
>nuclear
>weapons.
>I recently read a book which was the diary of a german submarine radio
>officer. His submarine was captured off the coast of Florida. On board was
>a
>disassembled jet plane and several canisters of uranium oxide bound for
>Japan. It is clear that Japan was planning on developing both jet planes
>and
>an nuclear weapon. This is interesting in view of the critism aimed at the
>USA for using a nuclear weapon in Japan.
>
>
>Bob Schramm
>Check out my web page at:
>
> http://www.SchrammStudio.com
>
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> >From: Halvor <halvorb@mac.com>
> >Reply-To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
> >To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
> >Subject: Re: There is H2O and then there is H2O
> >Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:58:43 +0900
> >
> >on 16-09-03 07:51, Nick Makris at nick@mcn.org wrote:
> >
> >A recent article in a Scandinavian newspaper apparently cited a demand
>for
> >water which has
> >a higher hydrogen level than most. One source may be the Albion River in
> >Mendocino Co., USA.
> >
> >Is not all water H2O or is some H3O or some such? Anyone hear anything
> >about this?
> >
> >Nick
> >
> >
> >
> >Heavy water sometimes refered to as H3O, (infamous Norwegian product -
> >without whose innocent help a couple of countries might not have had
> >nuclear
> >weapons, althoug I suppose as always there is other sources.) - donīt
>think
> >I have heard about any photographic purpose for this though.
> >
> >heavy water
> > n : water containing a substantial proportion of deuterium
> > atoms, used in nuclear reactors [syn: {deuterium oxide}]
> >
> >isotope
> > n : one of two or more atoms with the same atomic number but
> > with different numbers of neutrons
> >
> >".. which both hydrogen atoms have been replaced with deuterium, the
> >isotope
> >of hydrogen ... The
> >first commercial heavy water plant was the Norsk Hydro facility in ... "
> >
> >do a google with the various above keyawords
> >
> >Cheers
> >Halvor
>
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