Re: CITATIONS

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On Wednesday, January 21, 2004, at 01:24 AM, PhotoGecko Austin wrote:

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> On Tuesday, January 20, 2004, at 11:06 PM, Christina Z. Anderson wrote:
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>> Katharine,
>> I quote my post below, and I stand by my citations:
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>> I said, "A couple authors in books said they didn't print in the
>> summer
>> because their
>> prints were "muddy" which I presume to mean either lower contrast, or
>> perhaps a higher incidence of staining possible, even, because of the
>> increased receptivity of the paper to more moisture (Livick being
>> one)."
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>> Excuse me if the written quote was in Livick's WEB manual, a
>> precursor of
>> his PRINTED manual of 2000. HE was the one who SAID it, for gosh
>> sakes!! It
>> was in print! However, the newer printed manual says, below, this
>> info, as
>> I have stated, verbatim, p. 39:
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>> "Livick also says in his book to dry emulsion for 1/2 hour to 45 min,
>> no
>> longer, or emulsion will start to set in the paper and highlights
>> will be
>> muddy".
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>> Then I said, "Blacklow says don't print in high humidity because the
>> dichromate
>> soaks up moisture from the air and become less sensitive--either that
>> is her
>> conjecture or she got it from someone else."
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>> This is on page 127 of the 3rd edition, 2000, Focal Press. Perhaps
>> you do
>> not have this edition, but the earlier one. Just because you do not
>> find it
>> in your book does NOT make my quoting it invalid! It is, in fact, in
>> front
>> of my face. If you don't believe me I will fax you a copy of the
>> page.
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>> Then I said: "Crawford says heat and humidity
>> increase dark reaction. Arnow says gum is not very sensitive when wet
>> (Gassan, Kosar, and others disagree) and in higher humidity, use a
>> shorter
>> exposure--the seeming contradiction possibly being explained away by
>> dark
>> reaction, perhaps? So, the humidity factor is out there in the lit
>> and in
>> practice but what exactly is true, your guess is as good as mine."
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>> The reason I brought these points up is that Mark Nelson asked a valid
>> question about humidity. I answered that it was not a problem in my
>> book
>> except it changed my practice a bit. I was not agreeing with any of
>> these
>> authors, but also not disagreeing. For you or I or Judy or Keith or
>> Jack or
>> Sam or kingdom come to say any of this info is invalid because we
>> ourselves
>> don't experience it is a CROCK. Why in heavens name is our
>> "practice" more
>> valid than theirs?
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>> Speaking of being "cross", your insinuation I was fudging my sources
>> was
>> incredibly rude.
>> Chris
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Received on Wed Jan 21 08:50:59 2004