RE: Gums a la Demachy and Puyo and all sorts of other things including cyanot...

Terry, I'll let you to have the last word so that you can sleep comfortable
:) Good night...

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From: TERRYAKING@aol.com [mailto:TERRYAKING@aol.com]
Sent: 18 Temmuz 2006 Salı 23:29
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: Re: Gums a la Demachy and Puyo and all sorts of other things
including cyanot...

Loris

I change my method according to the audience. There is no harm in showing
six and seven year olds how to mix dry chemicals even if you do not let
them do it themselves. Remember that many science museums sell cyanotype
kits for children. As the chemicals are so safe, I can see no harm in
allowing them to coat their own paper under very close supervision. One of
my students asked me to teach the classmates of her son. I thought that
they would be eleven year olds but they turned out to be six and seven.
That is year 2 or 3 in UK schools. I just sat on the floor to run the class
instead of sitting on a chair. I am sure that neither of us has any
sympathy with the ignoramuses who shy away from that emotive word 'cyanide'.

I suppose that my main objection to the new cyanotype is that I can see see
no real advantage in using it rather than the classic method. I am not the
only one who takes this view. You may care to set out the two formulas and
methods side by side.

I would love to come to Istanbul and maybe run some joint workshops. I have
not been to Istanbul since 1970. I grew my moustache on the train back to
London.

I changed the reference to the ease of getting ferric ammonium citrate as
there was a brief period about ten years ago when FRC was difficult to get
when the manufacturers of Irn Bru found a different way of adding it to
their drink. We ride on the backs of those who manufacture these things for
other purposes. Have you tried Diet Cole as a platinum developer ?

Actually I do buy many of my alternative process supplies from
supermarkets, do it yourself stores and drug stores. I get at least three
from the bakery department in Sainsbury's.

You will remember that it was on the basis of the difference in
complication that you suggested that I try ink jet printing. I am glad that
you now appreciate the significance of the remark . It was hardly useless
to draw it to your attention as you now realise that your 'ink jet' remark
was not only uncalled for but called into question your understanding of
the issues.

All the best.

Terry

In a message dated 18/7/06 6:45:38 pm, mail@loris.medici.name writes:

        Terry,
        
        ________________________________
        
        From: TERRYAKING@aol.com [mailto:TERRYAKING@aol.com]
        Sent: 18 Temmuz 2006 Sal〓 00:24
        To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
        Subject: Re: Gums a la Demachy and Puyo and all sorts of other
things
        including cyanot...
        
        
>"The classic mathod is so easy that I have taught it to kids in
infants
        school."
        
        Hear hear, you mean you teached them how to mix their sensitizer
from dry
        chemicals? In my view, having infant children playing with dry
chemicals is
        a very bad thing to do (even letting them coat their papers - I'd
only make
        them print on pre-coated/dryed papers)... If you didn't do so, then
I'd like
        that you describe what is more easy in classic cyanotype's modus
operandi
        compared to new cyanotype? Because I really don't understand it (I
simply
        don't see any difference). If you're insisting on the idea of using
new
        cyanotype is hard I kindly invite you to our beatiful Istanbul for
a free
        workshop on new cyanotype from me (satisfaction guaranteed). (And
think of
        many interesting places to see/photograph!)
        
>"Ferric ammonium citrate is a food additive and is usually easy to
obtain.
        One does not have to get one's chemicals from chemical suppliers."
        
        I see that "Easy to obtain" became "usually easy to obtain" :) Can
you
        please enlighten me where I can locate Ammonium Iron(III) Citrate
apart
        chemicals suppliers and/or specialized photography suppliers? Spice
stores?
        Hehehe...
        
>"There is an immense difference between what one can achieve with
cyanotype
        and what one can achieve with gum."
        
        Thank you for the useless clarification - hehehe...
        
        Loris.
        
Received on 07/18/06-02:38:21 PM Z