RE: Ware/Malde-Ziatype-DOP palladium,was RE: "New" Paper for Pt/Pd (and other iron processes, too)

[Loris Medici <mail@loris.medici.name>]

Exposing the paper after drying it at least 30 mins in a relatively dry
environment (not more than 55%) will give warm (brown / red-brown)
prints. Sodium tungstate warms the print quite differently; shadows
remain relatively cool brown and midtones->highlights get a golden
(yellowish) tint - good for some images, not so good for others.

Regards,
Loris.

-----Original Message-----
From: Camden Hardy [mailto:camden@hardyphotography.net] 
Sent: 30 Kasım 2006 Perşembe 17:21
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: Re: Ware/Malde-Ziatype-DOP palladium, was RE: "New" Paper for
Pt/Pd (and other iron processes, too)


Sandy,

Have you tried adding sodium tungstate to the ziatype emulsion to get
warmer tones?

If so, how does the color compare to that of the Ware/Malde POP process?

Camden Hardy

camden[at]hardyphotography[dot]net
http://www.hardyphotography.net


On Wed, November 29, 2006 10:37 pm, Sandy King wrote:
> Hi Loris,
>
> I always control temperature at around 70F, and
> within certain limits I can also control RH.
> However, for various reasons it is much easier to
> control RH in the 50-60% range in my working room
> than at the extremes.
>
> At 55% RH I really like the results I get with
> the Ware/Malde POP palladium process. Dmax is
> excellent and the color is a nice warm black. In
> some ways nicer than with DOP palladium. But if
> the RH changes by as much as 5% there will be a
> chance in image color, warmer going down, more
> neutral going up. But this is ok, since I have
> excellent control of RH in the 50-60% range.
> However, the color shift with RH change is one of
> the great attractions of the Ware/Malde method.
> And with dichromate contrast control, which Mike
> chose not to exploit, you can get contrast
> control *and* the color you want. And without the
> cessium salt needed with Ziatype.
>
> However, if the type of image one likes is very
> neutral black, Ziatype with the lithium salt by
> itself gives great results. I would find it very
> difficult to make this color with Ware/Malde
> because a RH of 80% or so would be almost
> impossible to obtain in my working environment.
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 8:16 PM +0200 11/29/06, Loris Medici wrote:
>>I see. Agree with you on the fact that making identical looking prints
>>with POP version (at least Ziatype) can be hard... But, that shouldn't

>>that  much
>>hard to you? I mean you have a lightsource with integrator, you can
>> control
>>humidity and temperature in your working area, you're accustomed to be
>>consistent in coating + drying the paper (in fact, you're a master
carbon
>>printer!). Do you still find hard to get consistent / close results?
>>
>>About compression in the shadows: I cheat, I artificially increase
>>contrast in the shadows. When you have problems - even if you have a 
>>perfect calibration - some extra contrast boost in the shadows (it 
>>should look almost weird on your screen) will do good in that 
>>aspect... The more  texture
>>you have in the shadows, the less you have this "looks dull" problem.
Low
>>key images with delicate tonal transitions make another problem - I
think
>>Pt/Pd (or any other process which results a matte print) is not the
best
>>choice for this type of imagery... Carbon is, in my understanding.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Loris.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Sandy King [mailto:sanking@clemson.edu]
>>Sent: 29 Kasžm 2006 Çars¸amba 18:16
>>To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
>>Subject: RE: "New" Paper for Pt/Pd (and other iron processes, too)
>>
>>
>>What I meant by hard to beat is the consistency of DOP, i.e. the
>>capability of making multiple prints, all with the same density and 
>>color, without worrying about changes in exposure.
>>
>>FAO with the ammonium salt gives beautiful chocolate colors, if
>>printing  at low humidity.
>>But you need some type of contrast control if working with negatives
of
>> DR
>>of 1.8 or so intended for DOP palladium. You can actually get it by
>> adding a
>>few drops of dichromate to the sensitizer, as you do with ziatype.
There
>> is
>>no down side to this as far as I can see, and the ability to control
>>contrast this way makes the Ware/Malde process quite flexible.
>>
>>FAO with the lithium salt (ziatype) also works well, though I have
>>only  made a few prints with it. But for persons who like nice neutral

>>black prints this is the way to go with palladium.
>>
>>But printing with Pt./Pd. drives me crazy at times. The prints always
>>have this glorious look when they are washing, and when you hang them 
>>up to  dry.
>>Then you come back the next morning when they are dry and they look
dull.
>> By
>>contrast, carbon prints improve in look as they dry. I do find that a
>> couple
>>of coats of some kind of clear gloss lacquer or varnish recovers some
of
>> the
>>wet look, but not all of it.
>>
>>Sandy