Re: Digital Negatives & PT/PD / language & Grammar Police
Hi Judy
It is correct grammar if it is understood as an ellipsis, i.e. "...you and I
[go]."
It would be incorrect if "you and I" were the object complement of "us".
Regards
Don Sweet
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Seigel" <jseigel@panix.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: Digital Negatives & PT/PD / language & Grammar Police
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, Ender100@aol.com wrote:
> I would have replied sooner, but apparently not all the posts to the
list
> are reaching meâ?"perhaps this is due to the flood of "Karen Emails".
Karen
> promised that she would be back at her desk by January 8, but here it is
January
> 9 and they are still coming through.
>
> I stand corrected regarding my use of the English language. You are
correctâ?"
> I should have said "Dick & me" instead of "Dick & I"â?"it's not that I
don't
> give a dick, I had a momentary lapse in grammar. Thanks for pointing
this out
> to me. I think perhaps the list should award you the honorary title of
> Grammar Policeperson.
Actually Mark, that isn't true... there are MANY points I am happy to
ignore, and I daresay I make a few "bads" myself. It's just that this
particular usage strikes a nerve, because (a) it's so awful and (b) it's
already so common that even one so literate as yourself can fall into it
in "a momentary lapse": That is, the correct form already "sounds" wrong.
Only constant vigilance can protect us now and maybe not even that.
However, by making an issue, a *public hooha,* of the point, I provide an
aide memoire; the matter may not quite so easily lapse from memory, for a
while, at least.
And now a free gift... (a redundancy of course, a gift being by definition
free, but ANOTHER example of how bad usage becomes normalized). I will
send a free copy of my non-Pulitzer prize winning book, postage paid, to
the first person who explains why Sullivan's example from TS Eliot,
Let us go then, you and I,
When the evening is spread out against the sky
Like a patient etherised upon a table...
is *not* ungrammatical. (If you've already got the book, too bad, I'll
send it to your favorite other, or even your senator.) If there is no
"winner" by Wednesday midnight, NY time , sorry guys -- I WILL EXPLAIN.
> I hope that my error has not caused any sustained state of shock.
Not at all, Mark. You have, rather, contributed to the sum total of human
happiness, by way of the general enlightenment.
Judy
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