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Re: Jose Ortiz-Echague and Fresson

Based upon accounts from Bill Foster, who actually knew and photographed with 
Echague, the machine and formula was purchased from the Fresson family.  
Additionally, the "carbondir" was apparently a part of the agreement to not 
use the Fresson name for the paper Echague produced.


On Tue, 22 May 2007 00:09:57 -0400, Sandy King wrote
> There is also he possibility that money exchanged hands. I don't 
> know that for a fact, but Ortiz-Echague was definitely a person of means.
> Sandy King
> At 11:57 PM -0400 5/21/07, Sandy King wrote:
> >Chris.
> >
> >Several reasons I can suggest.
> >
> >There may also be personal connections of which I am not aware. But 
> >here are some of the things that may have moved them.
> >
> >At the time Ortiz-Echague was one of the most famous photographers 
> >in Europe, and had been using the Fresson paper for almost 50 years. 
> >Perhaps they felt that they owed him the favor.
> >
> >And, he was one of the most powerful men in Spain and a person of 
> >great accomplishments outside of photography. He was one of the 
> >first pilots in the Spanish, rose to the rank of General in the 
> >Army, and served as President of both SEAT (a company that produced 
> >cars) and of another company that produced airplanes.
> >
> >Basically, I figure they came to the conclusion that their secrets 
> >were safe with him, given his age at the time and his status in 
> >Spanish society.
> >
> >Sandy
> >
> >
> >
> >  At 9:41 PM -0600 5/21/07, Christina Z. Anderson wrote:
> >>When the Fresson family
> >>ceased commercial distribution of the paper they
> >>provided him with the technical knowledge to coat
> >>his own paper, and he constructed a coating
> >>machine and thereafter called his process
> >>"carbondir" (carbon directo) so as not to offend
> >>the Fressons.
> >>
> >>Sandy,
> >>Why would, do you think, the Fresson family share their secrets 
> >>with him and yet not with anyone else since then?
> >>
> >>I notice they still do Sheila Metzner's work as well as Deborah 
> >>Turbeville's...
> >>Chris

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