RE: alt exhibit
Would you agree to say that alternative processes broadly are contemporary
adaptions of the historical processes?
Roger
Roger Kockaerts
PERMADOCUMENT - Atelier pH7
rue des Balkans 7
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De : john@johnbrewerphotography.com [mailto:john@johnbrewerphotography.com]
Envoyé : vendredi 7 septembre 2007 3:49
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Objet : Re: alt exhibit
> Nice to have some dialogue going; are we the only ones here?
I'm here Katharine ;)
My personal definition of alternative processes is the production of a
photographic image using non factory made media for the end result. At the
risk of being anal I also define historical and alternative as being subtly
different, for example the Ware cyanotype or the temperaprint are alt but
not historical.
Just my tuppence worth.
John
www.johnbrewerphotography.com
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From: "Katharine Thayer" <kthayer@pacifier.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: alt exhibit
>I don't disagree; it's kind of like glass half full or glass half empty.
>I suppose, if truth be told, I look at it from where I stand with both
>feet planted well inside alternative processes, and see everything else as
>"outside." :--)
>
> I didn't mean positive and negative definitions in terms of value
> judgment, assigning good and bad connotations to the definitions; I only
> meant positive and negative in the sense of positive space vs. negative
> space. ...the difference between identifying "alternative processes" as
> a thing in and of itself, vs identifying "alternative processes" as
> everything that's not mainstream, as the negative space around
> mainstream photography. All I was saying is that I identify alternative
> processes the first way rather than the second way, but that's not to say
> my way of looking at it is the only way or even a majority way of
> looking at it; I suspect the other way, of seeing it as whatever's
> non-mainstream, is more widespread.
>
> I do agree that inkjet prints don't really belong under "alternative
> processes." I only meant that once I understood the definition of
> "alternative" for the purpose of the show, it made more sense to me that
> there would be inkjet prints in the show, because the call for work
> identified images made with a holga camera or a pinhole camera as
> examples of "alternative processes" with no requirement that these images
> be printed in some non-mainstream or traditionally alternative process.
>
> Nice to have some dialogue going; are we the only ones here?
>
> Katharine
>
>
> On Sep 6, 2007, at 10:39 AM, Diana Bloomfield wrote:
>
>> Agree that the confusion, in part, is with the title they chose to use
>> for the exhibit. "Alternative Works" would have been more accurate.
>>
>> That said, the term "alternative," as in "alternative processes," does
>> imply, in part, that which is not firmly entrenched in the mainstream--
>> to my way of thinking. (Again, digital printing is-- at least from what
>> I've seen.) I don't view that as a negative definition, nor as having a
>> negative connotation. "Anything outside the mainstream," given where
>> the mainstream has been lately, seems positive to me. ;)
>>
>> Diana
>>
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2007, at 1:11 PM, Katharine Thayer wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 6, 2007, at 7:57 AM, permadocument wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On visiting the on-line alt exhibit I was impressed by the overall
>>>> quality
>>>> of the retained works. A question arises: would it not be the moment
>>>> to
>>>> define what we really mean when we speak of "alternative works".
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think "alternative works" could be defined any way a person or
>>> institution would care to define it, because "alternative works"
>>> doesn't mean anything to me particularly. Now that I understand that
>>> the call for work for this particular show defined "alternative" as
>>> such things as images from plastic cameras, pinhole images, photograms
>>> and the like, I'm not surprised to find such images, printed
>>> digitally, as part of the show.
>>>
>>> For me, the confusion arose from their use of the phrase "alternative
>>> processes" as the title of the show. "Alternative processes" has come
>>> to mean, for me at least, and I suspect for some others as well, a
>>> specific set of handcoated processes. If they had named the show
>>> "alternative works" rather than "alternative processes," I wouldn't
>>> have had any expectation that the show would consist mostly if not
>>> wholly of works made by one or more of these handcoated "alternative
>>> processes," because as I said, "alternative works" could be anything at
>>> all as far as I'm concerned. Anthotypes, holga pictures,
>>> crossprocessed images, whatever, including the set of processes I
>>> know as "alternative processes."
>>>
>>> And maybe "alternative processes" isn't a good name, because it does
>>> seem to denote "alternative to" x, and then you have to define what x
>>> is and accept everything outside x as "alternative." But I've never
>>> defined "alternative processes" as being whatever's left outside the
>>> boundaries of some x, to me it does have a positive definition as this
>>> particular group of processes, rather than a negative definition as
>>> "anything outside the mainstream." So maybe something else, like
>>> "handcoated processes" or "historical processes" would be a better name
>>> than "alternative processes."
>>>
>>> I'm not yet ready to accept gelatin silver as an alternative process
>>> unless it's handcoated, and then I do think it belongs. But it's not
>>> surprising that we don't all agree precisely on where the boundaries
>>> lie that demark "alternative processes."
>>> katharine
>>>
>>
>>
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