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Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: Bleach-development with gum
> Loris,
> Any chance you would try this method with gelatin and
a
> layer of gum on top, unhardened gelatin? A thick cushy
>
layer? In other words, make a carbon print with a gum or
> albumen
layer and then the 6% hypochlorite solution? I just
> wonder if the Javel
works best with a recalcitrant layer
> like gelatin/carbon printing.
I mean, I can't IMAGINE
> exposing a print outside all day for 6 hr and
expecting to
> get something, but with a thick, highly pigmented
gelatin
> layer maybe this is possible. I
suppose that is a question
> for Sandy or John to answer.
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Chris,
For myself ( John ) I think you are supposing wrongly. I have never tried
your suggestion. Why dont you try it and report back with an
answer?
Loris, I wish you every success. As for Sandy, working with Carbon
Transfer, I do not recall bleach featuring anywhere in his
formulae.. I may be wrong.
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>
> Your running/staining you described was
exactly what Demachy
> and Anderson wanted--it gave them a "broken color"
as they
> termed it, effect which we now, of course, call
>
"impressionism". They called for exposing the layer briefly
> so
that upon a short development there was a slight running
> of the layer to
blur the outlines and mush the image a bit.
> So that
might be something for you to cultivate! I will try
> that method
shortly.
Please do that as I do not wish to,
myself . Too busy making Direct Carbon prints.
John.
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>
> Anyway, since you are experimenting in the dimroom
here are
> two other things for you to try. I'm sure you have lots
of
> extra time :)
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HE HE HE HE HE HE ! !
>
> BTW, if you are getting
flaking with sizing, have you tried
> to decrease your gelatin strength a
bit and make sure the
> sizing penetrates the paper instead of sticks on
top? It may
> be that your surface is too slick. However, if stain
or low
> contrast is not an issue for you, then scratch this
>
suggestion because you wouldn't need to size then.
> Chris
Ciao,
John- Photographist - London - UK
>