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Point of Point

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John - Photographist - London - UK.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Seigel" <jseigel@panix.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 4:42 AM
Subject: [point of the point] was Re: archivalness of gum

> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, Katharine Thayer wrote:
>> Hue names are useless for gum printing, because they tell you nothing about
>> the pigments involved;  if you don't know and understand the pigments you're
>> using, you're losing out on one of the crucial control variables of gum
>> printing in my experience.   So discussing colors in terms of hue names  just
>> confuses and misleads people, and I can't see any point in it.
> Katharine, you're doing it again...  taking charge of list content. That
> YOU "can't see any point in it" does NOT render a discussion illegitimate.
> About 3/4 of all list discussion has "no point" to some of us (including
> yours, I might add, even conceivably mine), but there was in fact some
> history, meaning, and intention attached to those comments... to at least
> two of us, probably more, even lacking your seal of approval.
> Nor is it written that anything not "useful for gum printing" is verboten
> on the list.
> "Confuses and misleads people"?  Not at all, tho it apparently takes them
> into other territory than Katharine allows... but it seems to me if folks
> have the wit to get here, they're adults, and have the wit to weigh
> information for themselves.
> Statements may get corrected, or arguments ensue, which can be empty
> posturing or richly informative. But the criterion is still not whether
> Katharine sees the point. We did.
> Judy
>>> The
>>> point is simply I was concurring with Judy that indigo is nowadays a
>>> hue/tone name. As a mix, each manufacturer is free to use different
>>> pigments
>>> in different proportions. One needs to check the content.
>>> As to listing pigment by pigment numbers, that is always true in another
>>> context. But here we are not talking about USING INDIGO PIGMENT. In fact,
>>> the context is the opposite. We are talking about indigo not being a
>>> pigment
>>> in manufactured watercolors but a hue/tone name.
>>> Dave