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RE: Réf. : Sury

Are we talking "real tricolor" here or is it monochrome, but other then carbon black? The picture is quite nice.

Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:31:20 +0100
From: mineurdecharbon@skynet.be
Subject: Réf. : Sury
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca

Thank you for the translate and the link of my Sury Color Picture
You say: " ...  Philippe, est-que ce papier une mixture des colloids, comme gelatine et
albumine? Ou pas des colloids dans son formule? ...
Chris, the Color paper of the formula of Sury and my formula using Gum as Colloid but also other "Chimical ingrédients", it is the secret of the the Color Paper
Best regards and sorry for my english
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Date : 12/30/07 18:46:03
Sujet : Sury
Philippe has put the image in question on his website and here is the link:
It is 16x20cm, it is made by the Sury Color process from 1924, and Philippe
says it is "not a gum print but one made with his color paper, invented and
patented in 1924" (which patent Philippe has).  He manufactured a color
paper and sold it at that time, much like the other papers on the market I
suppose like Artigue and Hochheimer, etc. and like Artigue the process was
kept secret, but apparently Philippe has written about this in his book on
Philippe, est-que ce papier une mixture des colloids, comme gelatine et
albumine? Ou pas des colloids dans son formule?
All but one of the direct carbon papers I have come across were made with
mixtures of colloids or straight gelatin, in other words, not straight gum
prints per se although gum was in some of them.  The one that was pure gum,
the J. Page Croft paper, was hardened by methylated spirits of alcohol and a
tad of sulfuric acid in the coating mix.  I don't know if he was successful
in his paper endeavour, as I don't know how long he manufactured the paper,
but obviously the ones with mixed colloids have lasted because Fresson is
still around.
I find it interesting that acids and methylated alcohol create less
solubility in gum...something to be tested. When I tested acids (lemon
juice) it created more stain in the highlights.
Enough for now...and please excuse the translating back and forth--but I
felt that the Sury stuff is very interesting alt info to put in your pipe
and smoke for the new year ;0
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  • References:
    • Sury
      • From: "Christina Z. Anderson" <zphoto@montana.net>
    • Réf. : Sury
      • From: Philippe Berger <mineurdecharbon@skynet.be>