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Re: European patents (was Re: Sury)

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto Novo" <alt.list@albertonovo.it>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 11:22 PM
Subject: European patents (was Re: Sury)

I have realized that I replied directly to Richard Knoppow instead to The List some days ago. So I send this message again, because this is of general interest and I think that part of the confusion about the Sury's patents (but this is seasonabily extended to whosever patents) are arising from a lack of knowledge on how to perform a patent search.
Google allows full text and date searches for all patents where the USPTO site allows them only for patents issued after 1975.
1870-1975 US patents in USPTO are available as sigle TIF pages. Very interesting to look at, especially using the advanced search and narrowing the time period.
I have not found a site for older European, British, or Japanese patents.
http://gb.espacenet.com/search97cgi/s97_cgi.exe?Action=FormGen&Template=gb/e n/advanced.hts (all in a row!)
There you find and download PDFs also for the entire patent family, that is all the national patents derived from the first original. It is possible also to view the forward citations.
However, the search motor must rely on the various national database update, and thus some old patents may be still hidden.

The US patent office site has change a bit. Formerly it allowed only patent number searches for patents issued before 1976. It now allows searches for several catagories such as the inventor or assignee but still does not allow full text searches.
I was able to find the Sury patent, I think. Its USP 1,571,103. Rather than get it as a series of TIF files I downloaded a PDF using the Google Patents site. Those interested should read the patent. Its short, only about a page and a quarter. The Sury patent I posted earlier was for something else and caused some confusion. Sury evidently worked on multiple printing methods for some time since the first patent was issued in 1909.

Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA