RE: Tintype Workshop Dan

[Carmen Lizardo <carmenlizardo@yahoo.com>]

Thank you so much Mark! I don't know how i will find
out anything if not for this list. You are all so kind
to me.
Thank you kindly,
Carmen
--- "D. Mark Andrews" <mark@dragonbones.com> wrote:

> Carmen,
> 
> Mark and France Scully Osterman will be teaching
> numerous wet plate
> workshops over the next few months in both Texas and
> New York. Check out
> their website (www.collodion.org) or email France
> directly. They are
> arguably the best living practitioners of this
> process and two of the most
> generous people I've ever come across. John Coffer
> was recommended and that
> would be a good option as well, but only if you plan
> to work in the field.
> 
> <Backstory>
> Nearly every living wet plate practitioner can trace
> their training to
> either Mark Osterman or John Coffer. There are some
> exceptions, but I won't
> deal with them here. Most of us were either trained
> by Mark or John or one
> of their students. By design or circumstance they
> have radically different
> approaches. I'm about to make some distinctions and
> generalizations which
> may sound unfair, so let me say for the record that
> they are both
> world-class artists, both represented by big New
> York galleries and both
> highly respected. My comments are not meant to
> disparage either of them. For
> the record, I've been a formal student of Coffer's
> (slept in the tepee) and
> an informal student of Mark and France (never met
> them, but have sought out
> their assistance on numerous occasions over the past
> 3 years which they gave
> without ever meeting me or getting anything in
> return).
> 
> Osterman vs. Coffer
> Art vs. Craft (I mean this respectively)
> Studio vs. Field
> Contemporary vs. Historic
> 
> Osterman's have trained many world-class artists on
> this process, including
> Sally Mann. Although they cover how to work in the
> field and have that
> experience their practice is primarily studio based.
> If you plan to
> primarily shoot in the field, Coffer is a much
> better choice. He is a marvel
> outdoors. He will teach you how to make darkboxs,
> plate helper tools, adjust
> your chemistry for heat and humidity, how to make
> cases, etc. As Joe pointed
> out, his Doers guide is worth every penny! Coffer
> also tends to be historic
> minded. Meaning he won't use a collodion mix that
> isn't close to an original
> recipe. Osterman, on the other hand, is informed by
> historical precedent,
> but disregards the unnecessary. You will use trophy
> aluminum in Osterman's
> class for tintypes, but Coffer is more likely to
> serve you canned beans for
> lunch, then cut up the can, hammer it, jappan it and
> then use it for a
> tintype--sounds romantic, but this is laborious.
> Osterman will teach you how
> to make plates with an enlarger, coat the back of
> your plates with colored
> paint, and make contemporary oretones.
> 
> Anyway, hope this is helpful.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Haygood [mailto:dan@haygoods.org]
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:43 AM
> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> Subject: RE: Tintype Workshop Dan
> 
> 
> You're right Robert, that degree of dark humor was
> inappropriate.  My
> apologies to Carmen, yourself, and others offended
> by that.
> 
> One can list the hazards of the workaday world
> without end, but tintypes do
> have inherent dangers, riskier than many of those
> associated with other
> processes.  And from her latest post, it's clear
> Carmen appreciates those
> dangers.
> 
> 	- Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Newcomb [mailto:newcombr@uga.edu]
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 5:35 AM
> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> Subject: Re: Tintype Workshop Dan
> 
> Don't sugar coat it so much Dan, tell us how you
> really feel!
> What a non supportive response to someone's
> enthusiasm about
> attending a workshop.  A note of caution is one
> thing but the "after
> mom is gone" was a bit too much.  Just make sure you
> don't breath or
> drink the dichromate doing gum, or splash the bleach
> in your eye when
> toning, or get electrocuted when using a mercury
> vapor printer or get
> hit by a car on the way to the work shop or .....
> Robert Newcomb
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 10, 2008, at 7:53 PM, Dan Haygood wrote:
> 
> > Tintypes, as in nitrocelulose, ether, potassium
> cyanide, etc.?
> >
> > Make sure the grandparents are OK with babysitting
> after Mom is
> > gone, too!
> >
> > Seriously, there must be safer techniques after
> 160 years...can
> > someone
> > post a rundown of the process used today?
> >
> >     - Dan
> >
> >> Hi All, I am looking to take a tintype workshop.
> It
> >> could be in New York or Texas. Can anyone
> recommend
> >> one? (grandparents are in both states , so I have
> free
> >> baby sitting for my kids!)
> >> Thank you kindly,
> >> Carmen
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 


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