Re: Flattening Paper- Mini Tutorial
Clair,
You are welcome to any help my meagre advice might offer and I
wish you many failures before your successes so that much can be learned on
the way to share with the List.
At present I am re- sticking down a sheet of Fabriano
Pittura 400gsm which has come adrift from the Plexi. After much cursing I am
looking forward to some fun with this one.
Please, what is the weight of your Saunders Waterford ?
More later. Ciao.
John - Photographist - London - UK
----- Original Message -----
From: "cadunn" <cadunn@vt2000.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Flattening Paper- Mini Tutorial
Thanks John for your delightful reply!! I leave it intact for posterity.
And NOW I do believe you. But I couldn't believe you because I wasn't at
all sure I understood that the paper and the plexi were really intended to
stay as a unit. So, now that I understand, I doubt no longer!! (And I have
some plexi, John, but thanks for the offer!)
AND for the rest following this thread -- I have a "duh!" to report.
I have always known, since the beginning of my reading that paper was a
major ingredient. And, because most of the folks, on their lists, included
Arches HP Watercolor - I invested in a block as my stock paper, only to
run into the severe curling -- etc. etc.
Well, yesterday, having accumulated 4 or 5 errands (gas conservation going
on here) to do in the nearest city (35 miles) with an art supply store, I
went there and bought one sheet of Saunders Whatman -- and have just gone
though a cyanotype to the drying stage and voila! The sheet is still flat
and ready for the gum. Temporarily very happy camper here. And if this
sucker comes out as I see it in my mind, I will post it where you can gawk
if so inclined!
love to all --
Clair
John Grocott wrote:
Clair and Others,
Clair, I do not consider you are a bumbling
idiot but I can understand you may not be too keen to spend the cash and
effort cutting from a 5 X 2 foot sheet an A4 piece of keyed Plexiglass
before you can believe it works. It has worked for me over the past
fifteen years. However, the paper will release early from the plastic if
it has not been thoroughly cleaned of grease or if the sanding is not
course enough. The paper can be re-stuck down if this happens.
I am continuing this thread with you ON
LIST as it might prove to be a source of amusement and even a little
education for List lurkers, but I am finding it difficult not to slide
into my slightly sarcastic/facetious mode (see my past postings) as I
cannot see what is not to believe, for you.
Just try it and see. If you find what I am saying is
rubbish, please tell everybody and guard them against making a similar
mistake. Then I will bow my head and slink back into the shadows.
If you send me your mailing address OFF
LIST we may be able to negotiate the cost for me to mail to you an A4
sheet of keyed Plexiglass plus cost of postage and packing, but,
honestly, I would rather not.
You cannot always trust what you
believe, or not, in place of practical testing. Much depends on the
imagination, of course.
''All experience is memory'' Aristotle ?
Ciao and best wishes.
John - Photographist - London - UK
PS John Cremati's solution of a 300 ton press may not necessarily work,
either ,unless you get the gelatine mix right.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "cadunn" <cadunn@vt2000.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Flattening Paper- Mini Tutorial
John wrote:
Without this key the paper would release too easily from the support and
this would defeat the aim of the operation which is to keep the paper
stuck down through multiple coatings and cold soak developments used in
Gum and other processes.
END QUOTE
I'm having a hard time with this thread-- here's what I'm absorbing:
Stick the paper down with gelatin to the plexi and dry it. Then it stays
there through multiple coatings, exposures and washings (plexi and print
go into the bath). i.e. -- it NEVER (not once) comes off the plexi
again until the end??
Is that right? (I find this hard to believe- which is why I'm asking for
help even at the risk of being considering a bumbling idiot!)
Clair
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