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Re: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs


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In my experience, the premium can hold enough ink using the QTR approach to give densities in the 3.5 range. The exposure time difference between the ultra and the non-ultra is about 25-33%

Clay
On May 21, 2008, at 3:46 PM, BOB KISS wrote:

DEAR MARK,
            Thanks for the clarification.  Yes, the 17” should do it. 
            Still wondering about that “extreme density” issue.  Please recall that I mentioned that I have used ImageSetter negatives with excellent resulting PT/PD prints.  They produced pretty high densities.  What do you mean by extreme?  Can you give me a number?  Have you ever needed those densities  I can drag out my densitometer and read one of my ImageSetter negs.   Also, what kind of increase in exposure does the Ultra require.  25%?  50%  Double?  More?
            I am sorry to be so persistent about this but, as I live in Barbados, it will cost me a LOT of money to ship this stuff in.  If I am wrong I will be stuck with it and still have to get a replacement.
                        CHEERS!
                                    BOB
 

From: ender100 [mailto:ender100@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:18 PM
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs
 
Bob,
 
I found the curing time with the 3800 inks to be about half an hour for the Ultra and an hour for the Premium OHP.  Not a big difference, since you will probably have some time between printing the negative and making the print anyway.  You can also hurry the curing with a hair dryer.
 
Imagine that you were feeding the roll of Pictorico into the printer from a roll feeder—that is the direction you want to have the curl going.  you should be fine with the 17"—it is perfect for the 3800.
 
The extra ink holding capacity would only be necessary if you need extreme densities.  I think you will be fine with Premium OHP instead of the Ultra OHP.
 
Enjoy!
 
Mark Nelson
On May 21, 2008, at 1:17:24 PM, "BOB KISS" <bobkiss@caribsurf.com> wrote:
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Subject:
RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs
Date:
May 21, 2008 1:17:24 PM CDT
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DEAR MARK,
            Thanks to you and all others for the great info.
*********Yet one more question.  I use a NuArc 26-1ks plate burner and have always had very reasonable exposure times with ImageSetter negatives.  Given that I will be making negs mostly for PT/PD printing are there any real advantages to using the Ultra Premium over the Premium?  Will I need that extra ink holding capacity?  The scratch resistance sounds useful and the faster curing sounds even more important.  How long do the Ultra Premium and Premium respectively take to cure? 
            Re:  Cutting the film and curl.  Below you stated, “When you cut sheets from the rolls, I would suggest always cutting so that the curl of the Pictorico is in the direction of the paper feed rather than the direction of the print head travel.”  I want to make 16X20 prints.  If I buy the 17” wide roll, this dictates that I must cut the film about 22” long (brochure says max size 17X22 and I want the extra clear film outside my 16X20 image area) and that dictates the direction of the curl, yes?  Does this mean that I must buy the next wider roll, i.e. the 24” wide roll? 
            The reason I want to get this right is that, if I must buy a roll, I will be making a significant investment in film which I am happy to do as long as it will be the RIGHT film.    
                                    CHEERS!
                                                BOB
 
 

From: ender100 [mailto:ender100@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:37 PM
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs
 
Bob,
 
I agree that Pictorico is the way to go.  I have used it for years and have always been happy with the outcome.  SInce Mitsubishi has taken over Pictorico, they have also improved the packaging and cut the price, as Chris mentioned.
 
For the 3800, I would suggest the 17" roll of Premium OHP film.  You can easily cut it to any length you want.  The Epson 3800 does not have roll feed, but I don't like using roll feed anyway since it wastes too much film.  When you cut sheets from the rolls, I would suggest always cutting so that the curl of the Pictorico is in the direction of the paper feed rather than the direction of the print head travel.  
 
I use the top feed mechanism (the 3800 has three paper feed paths) on the 3800 and insert the sheet I have cut so that I can bend the top of the sheet in a reverse curl and conveniently "hook it" against the back side of the control panel on the printer frame.  This will cause it to feed well, since it puts a little tension on the Pictorico feeding into the machine.
 
The Premium OHP should be sufficient for most people's use.  The Ultra does have a higher base plus fog, so exposure times are longer.  I use the ultra when I want to increase the ink load a lot for very dense negatives using the Ink Configuration setting (or with some printers this is found under Paper Configuration for some odd reason.)  The Ultra will take almost all the ink you can put on it with this method without any puddling or running.  The Ultra also cures faster and is a bit more scratch resistant (I believe.)  
 
The inks in the new printers such as the 3800 cure faster than the previous Epson inks.  One downside is that the black inks do not provide enough density with some processes to put a border on the negative that will hide brush marks.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Best Wishes,
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

On May 21, 2008, at 9:47:50 AM, "BOB KISS" <bobkiss@caribsurf.com> wrote:
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RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs
Date:
May 21, 2008 9:47:50 AM CDT
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DEAR DON, CHRIS, & DIANA,
Two more questions:
1) On the Pictorico web site I see Premium and Ultra Premium. What
is the difference and which to your recommend.
2) As I need to make 16X20 prints I need the 17X22 film but I don't
see if on the Pictorico site. Am I missing something?
CHEERS!
BOB

-----Original Message-----
From: Christina Z. Anderson [mailto:zphoto@montana.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:32 AM
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: Re: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs

Hi Bob,

I second Don. Pictorico is wonderful. It is now cheaper, too--20 sheets 
for what used to be 15 in a packet of 8.5x11. I just finished a project that

required me to print about 140 negatives and I had nary a problem. And I 
figure at $1 a sheet, that's only $3 per gum print and with all the time I 
put into gum that isn't so big a deal.

Pictorico.com but I think Mitsubishi now owns it or something...
Chris


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BOB KISS" <bobkiss@caribsurf.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:50 AM
Subject: RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs


> DEAR DON,
> Thanks for the quick reply! A few questions:
> 1) Which of the two do you prefer, Pictorio or Inkpress?
> 2) From which supplier do you prefer to buy the Pictorio?
> CHEERS!
> BOB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Bryant [mailto:dsbryant@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:39 AM
> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> Subject: RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs
>
> Bob,
>
> Since price isn't a consideration go for Pictorico OHP. Or you may wish to
> try Inkpress Transparency:
>
> http://www.inkjetart.com/cart/press-transparency-film-c-1_753_937_986.html
>
> Don Bryant
>
>
>
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