DEAR
MARK,
Thanks
for the clarification. Yes, the 17” should do it.
Still
wondering about that “extreme density” issue. Please recall that I mentioned
that I have used ImageSetter negatives with excellent resulting PT/PD prints. They
produced pretty high densities. What do you mean by extreme? Can you give me
a number? Have you ever needed those densities I can drag out my densitometer
and read one of my ImageSetter negs. Also, what kind of increase in exposure
does the Ultra require. 25%? 50% Double? More?
I
am sorry to be so persistent about this but, as I live in Barbados, it
will cost me a LOT of money to ship this stuff in. If I am wrong I will be stuck
with it and still have to get a replacement.
CHEERS!
BOB
From: ender100
[mailto:ender100@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:18
PM
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: RE: best film for 3800
PT/PD negs
Bob,
I found the curing time with the 3800 inks to be about half an hour for
the Ultra and an hour for the Premium OHP. Not a big difference, since
you will probably have some time between printing the negative and making the
print anyway. You can also hurry the curing with a hair dryer.
Imagine that you were feeding the roll of Pictorico into the printer
from a roll feeder—that is the direction you want to have the curl going.
you should be fine with the 17"—it is perfect for the 3800.
The extra ink holding capacity would only be necessary if you need
extreme densities. I think you will be fine with Premium OHP instead of
the Ultra OHP.
On May 21, 2008, at 1:17:24 PM, "BOB KISS"
<bobkiss@caribsurf.com> wrote:
DEAR MARK,
Thanks to you and all others for the great info.
*********Yet one more
question. I use a NuArc 26-1ks plate burner and have always had very
reasonable exposure times with ImageSetter negatives. Given that I will
be making negs mostly for PT/PD printing are there any real advantages to using
the Ultra Premium over the Premium? Will I need that extra ink holding
capacity? The scratch resistance sounds useful and the faster curing
sounds even more important. How long do the Ultra Premium and Premium
respectively take to cure?
Re: Cutting the film and curl. Below you stated, “When you cut sheets from the rolls, I
would suggest always cutting so that the curl of the Pictorico is in the
direction of the paper feed rather than the direction of the print head travel.” I want to make 16X20 prints. If I
buy the 17” wide roll, this dictates that I must cut the film about 22” long
(brochure says max size 17X22 and I want the extra clear film outside my 16X20
image area) and that dictates the direction of the curl, yes? Does this
mean that I must buy the next wider roll, i.e. the 24” wide roll?
The reason I want to get this right is that, if I must buy a roll, I will be
making a significant investment in film which I am happy to do as long as it
will be the RIGHT film.
CHEERS!
BOB
From: ender100 [mailto:ender100@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:37 PM
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs
Bob,
I agree that Pictorico is the way to go.
I have used it for years and have always been happy with the outcome.
SInce Mitsubishi has taken over Pictorico, they have also improved the
packaging and cut the price, as Chris mentioned.
For the 3800, I would suggest the 17"
roll of Premium OHP film. You can easily cut it to any length you want.
The Epson 3800 does not have roll feed, but I don't like using roll feed
anyway since it wastes too much film. When you cut sheets from the rolls,
I would suggest always cutting so that the curl of the Pictorico is in the
direction of the paper feed rather than the direction of the print head travel.
I use the top feed mechanism (the 3800 has
three paper feed paths) on the 3800 and insert the sheet I have cut so that I
can bend the top of the sheet in a reverse curl and conveniently "hook
it" against the back side of the control panel on the printer frame.
This will cause it to feed well, since it puts a little tension on the
Pictorico feeding into the machine.
The Premium OHP should be sufficient for
most people's use. The Ultra does have a higher base plus fog, so
exposure times are longer. I use the ultra when I want to increase the
ink load a lot for very dense negatives using the Ink Configuration setting (or
with some printers this is found under Paper Configuration for some odd
reason.) The Ultra will take almost all the ink you can put on it with
this method without any puddling or running. The Ultra also cures faster
and is a bit more scratch resistant (I believe.)
The inks in the new printers such as the
3800 cure faster than the previous Epson inks. One downside is that the
black inks do not provide enough density with some processes to put a border on
the negative that will hide brush marks.
On May 21, 2008, at 9:47:50 AM, "BOB KISS"
<bobkiss@caribsurf.com> wrote:
DEAR DON, CHRIS,
& DIANA,
Two more questions:
1) On the Pictorico web site I see Premium and Ultra Premium. What
is the difference and which to your recommend.
2) As I need to make 16X20 prints I need the 17X22 film but I don't
see if on the Pictorico site. Am I missing something?
CHEERS!
BOB
-----Original Message-----
From: Christina Z. Anderson [mailto:zphoto@montana.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:32 AM
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Subject: Re: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs
Hi Bob,
I second Don. Pictorico is wonderful. It is now cheaper, too--20 sheets
for what used to be 15 in a packet of 8.5x11. I just finished a project that
required me to print about 140 negatives and I had nary a problem. And I
figure at $1 a sheet, that's only $3 per gum print and with all the time I
put into gum that isn't so big a deal.
Pictorico.com but I think Mitsubishi now owns it or something...
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "BOB KISS" <bobkiss@caribsurf.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:50 AM
Subject: RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs
> DEAR DON,
> Thanks for the quick reply! A few questions:
> 1) Which of the two do you prefer, Pictorio or Inkpress?
> 2) From which supplier do you prefer to buy the Pictorio?
> CHEERS!
> BOB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Bryant [mailto:dsbryant@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:39 AM
> To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
> Subject: RE: best film for 3800 PT/PD negs
>
> Bob,
>
> Since price isn't a consideration go for Pictorico OHP. Or you may wish to
> try Inkpress Transparency:
>
> http://www.inkjetart.com/cart/press-transparency-film-c-1_753_937_986.html
>
> Don Bryant
>
>
>
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