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VS: Mordançage

I tried lumen on old RA-4 color papers, you can see them here:
and more about my lumen techniques:

- Jalo

Alternative Processes in Photography & Printmaking
Satakunta University of Applied Sciences
Faculty of Business and Culture Kankaanpää
Paasikivenkatu 24, Box 76
FI-38701 Kankaanpää

Lähettäjä: Andy D Duncan [duncanad45@gmail.com]
Lähetetty: 29. syyskuuta 2008 2:06
Vastaanottaja: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca
Aihe: Re: Mordançage

I have done Lumens on C-41, but I put it through regular b/w fixer, and the image stayed. The exposure was quite short—only about 1-2 hours long, and there was quite a shift in color, but it is still very lovely. I'll get a scan of it this week and post a link to the list.



On Sep 28, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Christina Z. Anderson wrote:

Let the list know if it works on your Lumenprints, but remember this:  mordancage does its thing on blacks, and unless there are large areas of blacks on the print you may not get what you think.  It rarely budges my highlights or midtones which is the neat thing because any thing taken on a black background will veil around the thing.

BTW, do you have any old color c-41 paper?  Try doing lumens with that--a student did it this week and it is beautiful. She lost the image during fix tho so don't fix it!
PS My first assignment is a menu with Lumenprints as one choice....

Christina Z. Anderson
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From: Andy D Duncan<mailto:duncanad45@gmail.com>
To: alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca<mailto:alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Mordançage

Thanks for the info Chris
I'm planning on trying this out on my Lumen prints I've been working on. I'm interested to see if there is any lift/disintegration of the emulsion.
Do you think I'd have to redevelop the image?

With some luck, I should be able to get copper chloride at my school (I'm a first year grad student at Utah State University)—at least I'm assuming I might. If I am, I just may be playing around with Mordançage tomorrow.

On Sep 28, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Christina Z. Anderson wrote:

Hi Andy,
I go to a beauty supply house and buy the clear 20v stuff--you should have a Sally Beauty supply by you.  I get it by the gallon for $6.  Then I use that equal--a liter of mordancage plus a liter of hp.

However, you can use the drugstore stuff as well but use more of it.  The chemists on the list can chime in and tell you how much volume of 3.5% HP which I think is the drugstore kind, is equivalent to a liter of 20v....it is not a direct conversion and there is a formula.  It works just fine.

In the fall I do a gang mordancage lab outside at my house with my photo students. It is a BLAST.  This year I had them come back and do negatives a week later with the old solution.  Again, wow stuff--esp the guy who did it to 8x10 bw.

Ilford MGIV is the best paper to do this with--very easy.

Get your copper chloride by the pound from artcraftchemicals.com--cheapest.

glacial acetic acid--you can substitute any stop bath for this but if the indicator stop bath that exhausts to purple, it will dye your prints, so stay away from indicator stop baths. Yukky.

Any developer will do.

I have a tray of thiocarbamide toner and a tray of selenium side by side with the developer.  Remember not to selenium tone until after you develop because the fixer in KRST will bleach out the print permanently.

Lots more to tell but this is enough.

Christina Z. Anderson
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From: Andy D Duncan<mailto:duncanad45@gmail.com>
To: Alt Photo List<mailto:alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 1:29 PM
Subject: Mordançage

Hello all,
I'm going to be trying Mordançage within a week or two, as soon as I can gather the materials/chemicals. I have a few questions about the hydrogen peroxide: will store bought peroxide work? All the recipes I've seen on the net say 30 volume. Is that what comes from the store? or will I need to get some from a chemical supplier?