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Re: Gum on masa, again

Katharine, what is the product number in the barcode?
Mine says AWAGAMI MASA BRIGHT WHITE 86gsm 4530190907590... You're
describing it as if it's different paper than what I got!? Never got any
cracking myself...

Another good example for "different people - different experience" is the
Fabriano Artistico pattern: I remember reading your comments about this
paper somewhere (could be either in apug.org or hybridphoto.com - don't
remember exactly); you were complaining about the ugly pattern you get
when printing on that paper. I've printed on Artistico, always on the
front side (watermark reads correctly) and never encountered any pattern.

See a 400dpi (makes something like 4.1x magnification when viewed at 100%
zoom on screen) detail scan of my last print here:

(a crop that can represent all the tones - not colors - in the image)

No pattern?

Sometimes, there are just too many variables which makes specific products
and procedures work for some, but not for others. On the other hand, this
cracking case is pretty basic and is causing quite a confusion on my part.

Anyway, being a little more experienced now, I will start to size some
Masa sheets, to try it again (my very first tries were on Masa). Fabriano
is indeed a nice paper for gum (also, I can buy it locally -> a big plus
to me) but the price is pretty high. So, I'm still interested in Masa for
gums -> will see it (and try it to make work) for myself and report back.


10 Ekim 2008, Cuma, 7:52 pm tarihinde, Katharine Thayer yazmış:
> Um,  well thanks, but I'm not finding this to be so, that the paper
> is so strong it doesn't disintegrate in water if left to soak, even
> for a long time, if "disintegrate" is interpreted broadly enough to
> include these cracks I get in the backing (that's the word I was
> looking for, cracks).   I left a  plain piece of the paper to soak
> overnight, just to see what would happen,  and the same thing:
> cracks in the fuzzy backing, all over the paper.  You see these
> cracks from the back (upper surface as the paper is floating face
> downward) as dark lines, and they also show in the face as narrow
> creases.  So it's not that I'm lifting the edges and causing these
> tiny creases in the paper, it's soaking the paper that's  causing the
> problem.  It's as if the fuzzy stuff separates slightly in places.
> So using a screen to support the paper in the water wouldn't help the
> problem.
> I was hoping to wake up to an answer this morning;   I was hoping for
> something like "oh, forgot to tell you about that part; you have to
> pour Everclear on the paper before you coat it and that keeps it from
> happening" or some such.  When I did those little test prints a
> couple of years ago, I didn't have this problem, but those papers
> were smaller, more like 8x10.  These papers I'm using now are half
> sheets, 15.5" by 21".  I've now thrown away about a dozen half sheets
> and spent two days at this; I could have bought three sheets of my
> usual paper and had half a dozen nice prints by now.  I guess for me
> this is a lesson in the value of spending money to save money.   It's
> really fascinating how different people's experience is with
> different materials.  I was attracted to this paper by Keith's
> exclamation on the list "I really love this paper!"  and by his
> prints, and by Rajul's and others' prints on masa, but now I can say
> without reservation, "I truly despise this paper."  Now I know how
> people feel when they try something I've enthused about and they
> don't find it as wonderful as I do.
> I've always prided myself on being able to print gum on just about
> any paper there is.  I've printed on many Japanese papers including
> silk tissue (now there's a paper that truly has wet strength!)  on
> typing paper, on cardstock, inkjet paper, Bristol board, mat board,
> on all kinds of printing and watercolor papers,  but I think this one
> has got me beat.
> Katharine
> On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:48 PM, Loris Medici wrote:
>> Katharine,
>> I don't think there are that much different batches of the same paper
>> circulate (as you describe in your previous message), because I
>> ordered
>> two packs of this with almost one year between the orders and it
>> wasn't
>> different at all.
>> This paper is very strong in water (= won't disintegrate) even if
>> you let
>> it soaking for more than 24 hours. I know that because I've made
>> carbon
>> tissue on such soaked paper and there wasn't a slightest hint of
>> creasing...
>> I didn't printed large (bigger than 9x12") on Masa and not many
>> times but
>> never had that type of creasing in the stage of development too.
>> I had wrinkles instead (especially while using hair dryer between
>> coats,
>> to work quickly).
>> I guess Keith would be more helpful in solving your problem with
>> Masa...
>> Regards,
>> Loris.
>> 10 Ekim 2008, Cuma, 8:17 am tarihinde, Katharine Thayer yazmı�:
>>> On Oct 9, 2008, at 8:35 PM, Katharine Thayer wrote:
>>>>  the thing that ruins prints for me is that when the paper gets wet
>>>> through, it becomes very fragile; any disturbance of the paper
>>>> (gently picking up an edge to look at how it's developing, etc)
>>>> opens a crease, almost a tear,  that tends to run diagonally across
>>>> the print but can go in any direction, and there can be more than
>>>> one of them.
>>> In case anyone's having trouble picturing this:
>>> http://www.pacifier.com/~kthayer/html/masa.html
>>> this isn't the whole print, just as much of it as would fit on the
>>> scanner bed.
>>> Katharine