Re: Stock Paint:Gum Solutions?
Hi Loris, Chris, Marek, Katharine,
Are you all using a 1:2 gum mix? Otherwise we are comparing different
My stock solutions are more or less the same as Marek's, a 15ml tube
in 150ml gum (1:2 from lumps).
On 23 okt 2008, at 03:07, Marek Matusz wrote:
I found that using stock solutions is the way to go to get
consistency. As Chris noted modern organic pigments do not separate
and stay suspended in gum solutions forever, just a little shake and
you are ready to go.
My thalo blue stock is 15 ml tube (Daniel Smith) to 150 cc of gum.
Magenta, which is quinacridone rose (PV19) is 1 tube to 120 cc of
gum, my standard yellow now is PY150 and it is 1 tube to 300 cc of
gum. I have to say I did not use PY151 that you mention and Daniel
Smith does not carry it. Most of other colors that I use require
about 150cc of gum for proper balance. ANother color that is very
strong is PR254 (Ferrari red), I have a stock of 1 tube to 300 cc.
If you do not want to mix that much stock you can mix it with 150
and at 1 part of gum for printing. I add 0.3 to 0.5 part of
saturated ammonium dichromate to 1 part of gum/pigment. I found no
compelling reason to add more and then wash it down the sink. I add
1 part of water for 1 part of gum. This dictates the thickness of
gum in a finished print and would change somewhat depending on paper
absorbency. Lastly, I measure my gum solution and pour the exact
amount for a given negative size, for eample 8.5x11 requires 3cc of
sensitizer for my paper (Fabriano Artistico).
If you have 10 prints to do just mix a batch and measure a
predetermined amount for each print. My workflow is to do a single
colour is a session, which is 2-3 hours and allows for 8 to 12
prints. So tonight is magenta night.
You do have very similar cyan and magents dilutions and as I noted I
did not ever use your yellow. I seems that your concentrations would
be about 2x as much as I use and that would give you very strong and
saturated prints, somewhat difficult to balance midtones, higlight
and shadows in my opinion. AT these concentrations I run into some
stain issued. I prefer to work in somewhat weaker layers and add
pggment in more then 3 layers, on the average say about 5. You can
always improve a prints that is too light with another layer or two
You are a fast learner and progressing well.
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:13:39 -0600
> From: email@example.com
> Subject: Re: Stock Paint:Gum Solutions?
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> OK this is it--one last email before I get on the road. Have to
teach a gum
> workshop in Missoula MT 200 mi away and I have to have my hubby
> there because I can't drive with a knee brace. He has to sit in a
> two days entertaining himself so you can imagine he's one happy
> I mix all pigments 15ml tube in a total volume of 60ml because
that is the
> size nalgene bottles I have.
> At time of use I cut my pigments with plain gum--thalo gets cut as
> 1+5, yellow maybe 1+2, magenta maybe 1+3, depending.
> Stock solutions are a cinch to use, and I only have problems with
> pigments which settle and separate into a sludge on the bottom--
> titanate, cerulean, cadmiums. Since I no longer use these colors,
> stock is not a problem for me as far as separation is concerned.
> I think your thalo may be too concentrated, but I notice a
> yellow-magenta-thalo which I also do as far as strength.
> One more thing--at time of use I may decide to do an
> too, in which case I cut all pigments way more.
> There are several list members who have this down to a real
> exactitude--Marek, Dave Rose used to, and they'll tell you exactly
> OH, you could do a search for Dave Rose's posts a few years back
but he did
> use powdered pigment.
> Christina Z. Anderson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Loris Medici" <email@example.com>
> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:56 AM
> Subject: Stock Paint:Gum Solutions?
> >I was reading handprint.com's "The Secret of Glowing Color" page,
> > contains very good and interesting information, especially in
> > "Not Black, Not Light".
> > (http://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/tech16.html)
> > I slowly feel the need of making stock paint:gum solutions, in
> > get more consistency and ease of use. Mixing small amounts of
> > solutions is hard to do consistently, especially with strong
> > small image sizes. (Because squeezing small amnt. from the tube
> > easy!)
> > I decided to make stock solutions as listed below:
> > Yellow PY151 1:2 (1:4 final) -> 15ml paint + 30ml gum
> > Magenta PV19 1:3 (1:6 final) -> 15ml paint + 45ml gum
> > Cyan PB15:3 1:4 (1:8 final) -> 15ml paint + 60ml gum
> > Since the stock paint:gum is further diluted 1:1 with
> > actual paint dilution in the coating solution will be exactly
the half of
> > what it is in the paint:gum solution. (See inside parenthesis.)
> > This question goes to users of stock paint:gum solutions (such as
> > Katharine and Christina):
> > Do you find above figures close to ideal? What is your
> > those pigments? Anything to pay attention / be careful about using
> > paint:gum stock solutions?
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Loris.
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