Re: lith printing and golfball grain
Hi Terry,
No, it isn't in the film...it is the exposure of the paper under the
enlarger that is 2-3 stops overexposed, but the student's films are normal.
I mean, by the time they get to Experimental Photo they've had 2 solid years
of BW under their belt and one would HOPE they know what a normal neg looks
like. I didn't see anything out of the ordinary when looking at their negs
and listening to their exposure times, and when I am doing a "gang" lab like
lith, I am in there the entire time with the students.
I will "caveat" the fact that some of the 120 film has been shot with both
Hassleblad and then Holga, so the cameras couldn't be more different, but
the paper has consistently produced huge grain. I think I will have to
write Tim Rudman and ask him a few questions....unfortunately both of his
books are at the office and I am not going to drive down my driveway until
the snowplow comes and removes the huge drifts...like Monday...
Chris
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----- Original Message -----
From: "terry lindquist" <tsll@localnet.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: lith printing and golfball grain
Chris:
....maybe it is just plain over-exposed & overdeveloped film that is
"giving you the
large grain...."
terry
On Dec 13, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Christina Z. Anderson wrote:
Judy,
I have a lot of those books from that time that I have found at
abebooks.com but won't know until you can locate the title.
I've taught lith now for 8 years, once a year, and I have not seen as
much grain as I have this year on the Arista.edu paper. It's funny
because I was recommending the students to use Bergger because that has
always been excellent in the past, but the Arista was for sale at the
university bookstore so they were the ones to turn me on to it in their
practice.
I have no idea if Fotospeed changed their formulation or what. Or if
papers have morphed.
Chris
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Seigel" <jseigel@panix.com>
To: "Alt List" <alt-photo-process-l@usask.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: lith printing and golfball grain
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008, Christina Z. Anderson wrote:
Chris, there was a little book out in the '80s (or maybe the 70s ?)
about ways to increase grain. Have you got it? At the time, the
absolute apogee of Ansel Adams, it was considered iconoclastic, tho I
don't recall much we don't take for granted these days. But if you
don't have it I'll look for it ...(and if luck prevails I could find
it, at least as a matter of academic/ historic interest).
Re: lith printing.
Using Fotospeed Lith developer at 60ml A and 60ml B in 1 liter of
water dilution, the Arista.edu paper gives GOLFBALL grain that is
really incredible. At least, I love it. I have a student doing these
vacant night time scenes of industrial walls sort of with a single
light shining, snow on the ground, and the grain is really quite
effective to set a mood. I have not seen this kind of grain on a paper
otherwise. I find Ilford Multigrade IV to be blah and not very good,
Bergger paper is fine grained and caramel toned and pretty darn good.
Kentmere Fineprint is good....pinky. That's all...
Chris
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